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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: I feel like if Toei Animation did a Chrono Trigger anime for Netflix...
« on: February 16, 2020, 07:50:31 am »
That Dragon Quest movie got criticized precisely because it strayed from the well-known art style of the franchise. I feel like that movie is more of an example of what not to do with something like this.
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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / I feel like if Toei Animation did a Chrono Trigger anime for Netflix...
« on: February 15, 2020, 08:25:12 pm »
...it would be a smash hit. There's still plenty of people who know what Chrono Trigger is, and I feel like even casual fans would watch that. Especially coupled with how succesful the Castlevania anime is, and also the wave that the Dragon Ball franchise is currently riding. I feel like even Dragon Ball fans who haven't played Trigger would watch this because it looks like Dragon Ball.
I don't think it'll ever happen, but I think it would be very succesful if it did. A long time has passed, but so what? After Dragon Ball GT, nobody ever thought a new Dragon Ball anime would ever happen, even though fans hoped and hoped for years. It's never too late.
One can dream, I guess.
I don't think it'll ever happen, but I think it would be very succesful if it did. A long time has passed, but so what? After Dragon Ball GT, nobody ever thought a new Dragon Ball anime would ever happen, even though fans hoped and hoped for years. It's never too late.
One can dream, I guess.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Idea for a sequel and the fate of the main cast....
« on: February 15, 2020, 04:53:48 pm »
To me, Lucca's letter sounded more like she didn't know who or what was coming, or if it was coming for just her or her and all of her friends. And Dalton being alive is also a result of their time traveling, as in the Lavos timeline he died at the bottom of the sea with the rest of Zeal. In my opinion the letter would make more sense if it added "in fact this very thing has already happened to my two best friends", but for some reason the details of Guardia's calamity are always intentionally left vague.
You could be right about a resistance.
You could be right about a resistance.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Idea for a sequel and the fate of the main cast....
« on: February 15, 2020, 04:08:16 pm »
You're right, Kid's age makes the timeline tight.
But Lucca's letter is weird. You make a good argument about placing it at a point in time where she would be able to determine Kid's character, thus after the Fall of Guardia. But then she also goes on to say something or someone might come after her or her friends because of what they did. As in something that could happen, not something that has already happened (the Fall of Guardia). If the Fall of Guardia had happened, and someone had tried to kill Crono and Marle, wouldn't that be very odd phrasing?
Anyway, if they survived, I'm really curious just what they're up to during Cross. I find it hard to believe Guardia was able to rebuild while Dalton is still in power. Yes, there is the General Kid ending. Yes, there is Norris' speech when he stares into the Frozen Flame. But how can that be when Dalton, the man who destroyed the kingdom in the first place, is literally sitting on his throne to the south?
But Lucca's letter is weird. You make a good argument about placing it at a point in time where she would be able to determine Kid's character, thus after the Fall of Guardia. But then she also goes on to say something or someone might come after her or her friends because of what they did. As in something that could happen, not something that has already happened (the Fall of Guardia). If the Fall of Guardia had happened, and someone had tried to kill Crono and Marle, wouldn't that be very odd phrasing?
Anyway, if they survived, I'm really curious just what they're up to during Cross. I find it hard to believe Guardia was able to rebuild while Dalton is still in power. Yes, there is the General Kid ending. Yes, there is Norris' speech when he stares into the Frozen Flame. But how can that be when Dalton, the man who destroyed the kingdom in the first place, is literally sitting on his throne to the south?
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: What if Magus had been in Chrono Cross?
« on: February 15, 2020, 10:33:25 am »
Actually, the Magus becomes Guile thing could still work. But instead of Guile being an empty slate character that has no unique dialogue after his introduction, he could have a more meaningful part in the story and a happier conclusion (aka getting his memories back at some point). I'd be curious to see how that would play out as well.
Now that I think about it, this reveal could happen when Kid receives the letter from Lucca. Guile would be required to be present, and what follows is Kid somehow realizing (through her ties to Schala). Like... "It's you, isn't it..? You're the one she's talking about."
I dunno. That's what I would hope for at least.
Now that I think about it, this reveal could happen when Kid receives the letter from Lucca. Guile would be required to be present, and what follows is Kid somehow realizing (through her ties to Schala). Like... "It's you, isn't it..? You're the one she's talking about."
I dunno. That's what I would hope for at least.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / What if Magus had been in Chrono Cross?
« on: February 15, 2020, 10:06:34 am »
I think many fans share one mutual regret about Chrono Cross: That Magus was planned as a character, but ultimately scrapped in lieu of Cross' extensive and colorful cast of randomly recruited party members.
So... Let's imagine for a minute that that wasn't the case. What if Chrono Cross had had a more compressed character roster, one of them being Magus? How would the story in Chrono Cross have changed? What would have been Magus' storyline, his character arc? Where would we have found him and where would the story have taken him?
So... Let's imagine for a minute that that wasn't the case. What if Chrono Cross had had a more compressed character roster, one of them being Magus? How would the story in Chrono Cross have changed? What would have been Magus' storyline, his character arc? Where would we have found him and where would the story have taken him?
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Idea for a sequel and the fate of the main cast....
« on: February 15, 2020, 04:07:22 am »
Do we know that Kid specifically made any of those drawings tho? Because if we don't and it could have been just some random kids, it's impossible to put a timeframe on when they were made.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Idea for a sequel and the fate of the main cast....
« on: February 14, 2020, 07:03:32 pm »Man, Chrono Cross hurts my head, but I definitely see the Fall of Guardia and the creation a 'resistance' against Dalton as a great potential for a game. There are drawings of Crono, Marle, Ayla,Robo and possibly even Frog and a Nu (https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Lucca%27s_house.html) in Lucca's house at the time it burns down in 1015 AD. Suggesting not only that Crono and Marle might be alive, but that Lucca has access to time travel in some form or another as well.
With this in mind, Crono and Marle could be leading a secret guardia resistance, or could have been thrown back in time and only recently reunited with Lucca. It's hard to say. They could be dead, but, I don't see why there would be drawings of them in 1015 AD, unless Lucca kept them up for years, and if they perished in 1005 AD, who drew them?
With Dalton's time traveling abilities and dimensional pockets, he definitely could be the main antagonist, or his shenanigans could lead to an even bigger and badder antagonist through mucking up time/dimensions. I could see Dalton playing with a fire he can't control, going back in time and royally messing things way up!
To be honest there was plenty of time for those drawings to be made. Remember Lucca found Kid at the end of Chrono Trigger (1000 AD), and started the orphanage not long after. I assume the other kids she found for her orphanage were not all babies, that would be odd. That means there was a span of give or take 5 years where Crono and Marle (and the others) could have visited the orphanage, interacted with the kids and the kids subsequently making drawings of them.
The only questionable thing there is, why did she leave them up for 10 years? Maybe it's because Crono and Marle passed away, as memorials? I know I'm reaching, but it's also odd that, if they were made recently, going by those drawings, Crono and Marle's appearance hasn't changed much in 10 years. Would they not be drawn as king and queen? The Frog drawing you mention is of his dead pose. Why would the kids draw that? The drawings are odd in general.
While I still think my first idea is better for a number of reasons, I thought of another way this hypothetical sequel could work and still tie into the main timeline.
We know of at least one canon timeline that exists where the events of CT took place, which would be the Radical Dreamers timeline. It is possible that another, if not the RD timeline itself, did not have Dalton raise an army in Porre and attack Guardia. Here the Kingdom would have flourished and Crono and Marle would have become the King and Queen. However one day a Dimensional Distortion, potentially as a long term side effect of the Time Crash, causes Crono or someone else from the original cast to accidentally travel between timelines into the one that the Fall of Guardia and Chrono Cross takes place. Once a way to travel back and forth between timelines has been established (Marle does have the same amulet as Schala afterall), they would not be able to turn a blind eye to the fate of their Kingdom despite it not being from their own timeline (similar to how Crono and gang could not ignore the day of Lavos, long after they would have died). Then the whole resistance scenario I mentioned before would continue from there.
However like I said, I still prefer my first idea overall for two reasons. One is because this would employ Dimensional Travel and Time Travel together, which could get very confusing if not done properly. The second is that it might feel too samey to how Serge gets pulled into a timeline where he had died. The only real difference is that it would be Crono and the fate of his kingdom vs Serge and the fate of Schala. One thing I find funny is that Square made sure to leave that record from Radical Dreamers in Chronopolis to establish that it was indeed canon, despite Kato himself feeling it was incomplete and just a Chrono Cross prototype. Could it be possible that something like this could have already been hinted at in reference to Chrono Break before the project got canned?
That record was the real difference maker, because even though Dinopolis itself had already confirmed multiple realities aside from the split that took place in Cross, but it also confirmed that the events of Chrono Trigger happen in more than one primary timeline as well.
I don't know why, but for some reason I just don't like the idea of a Chrono game where Crono and Marle are fighting for their self interest. Crimson Echoes did the same thing. That was never what Trigger and Cross were about. I mean I get it, and it makes sense, but if the stakes in the new Chrono game are lower than everything in existence being at stake, it makes it underwhelming for me.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Idea for a sequel and the fate of the main cast....
« on: February 12, 2020, 10:54:14 am »
Yeah, that is true.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Idea for a sequel and the fate of the main cast....
« on: February 12, 2020, 05:53:28 am »
I dunno about that, was there really a science community on the Zenan mainland? It was mainly just Lucca and her dad. We know Chronopolis and FATE were built by Belthasar who came in at 2300 AD, we don't know how much he depended on the technology that existed in that age. I mean he was able to create a time machine even in antiquity.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Idea for a sequel and the fate of the main cast....
« on: February 11, 2020, 06:57:06 am »
Right, but I feel like only events surrounding Serge and Lynx would be "fixed", so Lucca would not have been kidnapped as there is no Lynx, but the Fall of Guardia would have still happened because it didn't really have anything to do with Lynx or Serge's story.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Idea for a sequel and the fate of the main cast....
« on: February 10, 2020, 06:54:10 pm »
I feel like since Schala said he'd be able to live a happy life this time around, it would be a life where his father was present and did not turn into a feline biological computer interface monster.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Idea for a sequel and the fate of the main cast....
« on: February 10, 2020, 05:19:12 pm »
Right. Putting the Fall of Guardia stuff aside, I feel like that whole thing is too vague to conclusively say what happened. There is some evidence that suggests Crono and Marle survived, but it's debatable.
You could set it after Cross has concluded and the dimensions are unified, but the problem with that is that Cross seems to indicate that the unified timeline resumes from 1020 AD onward, specifically when Serge and Leena were on the beach. So those 15 years would still have happened already.
You could set it after Cross has concluded and the dimensions are unified, but the problem with that is that Cross seems to indicate that the unified timeline resumes from 1020 AD onward, specifically when Serge and Leena were on the beach. So those 15 years would still have happened already.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Idea for a sequel and the fate of the main cast....
« on: February 10, 2020, 04:50:43 pm »
While I like the idea, I don't think it would work.
Dalton made it very clear in Chrono Trigger DS that his revenge would be personal. It's not about obtaining the Masamune (which Dalton may not even have known about until later, since during Zeal's era it wasn't finished), it's about getting back at Crono. If we look at Porre's succesful rise to power, and coupled with the fact that Belthasar most likely would have employed their help if they were alive, I do believe that during Chrono Cross Crono and Marle are dead and Dalton is firmly in his seat of power on the mainland.
As for Lucca, her fate is curious. Kid claims she was kidnapped, yet when Serge dives into her memories near the end of the game, we see Lynx looming out of the window with Lucca nowhere to be seen. You would think if he kidnapped her, or was in the process of kidnapping her, she would appear somewhere. Kid also refers to Lynx as a murderer occasionally, and Lynx himself claims "I'll send you to see Lucca" which, in my opinion, is the most damning evidence that she is most certainly dead. If she was alive, what would be the point of lying about it in that situation?
Finally, there's Lucca's statement that they "no longer exist in this timeline", specifically mentioning "timeline" and not "dimension".
Anyway, even if by some stretch of sheer luck they were alive... What have they been doing for 15 years? And why would they act now? In that time period Porre had probably colonized Guardia and installed new government. Would it be in character for Crono and Marle to seek revenge and wage another bloody conflict?
Dalton made it very clear in Chrono Trigger DS that his revenge would be personal. It's not about obtaining the Masamune (which Dalton may not even have known about until later, since during Zeal's era it wasn't finished), it's about getting back at Crono. If we look at Porre's succesful rise to power, and coupled with the fact that Belthasar most likely would have employed their help if they were alive, I do believe that during Chrono Cross Crono and Marle are dead and Dalton is firmly in his seat of power on the mainland.
As for Lucca, her fate is curious. Kid claims she was kidnapped, yet when Serge dives into her memories near the end of the game, we see Lynx looming out of the window with Lucca nowhere to be seen. You would think if he kidnapped her, or was in the process of kidnapping her, she would appear somewhere. Kid also refers to Lynx as a murderer occasionally, and Lynx himself claims "I'll send you to see Lucca" which, in my opinion, is the most damning evidence that she is most certainly dead. If she was alive, what would be the point of lying about it in that situation?
Finally, there's Lucca's statement that they "no longer exist in this timeline", specifically mentioning "timeline" and not "dimension".
Anyway, even if by some stretch of sheer luck they were alive... What have they been doing for 15 years? And why would they act now? In that time period Porre had probably colonized Guardia and installed new government. Would it be in character for Crono and Marle to seek revenge and wage another bloody conflict?
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Dragon Gods and the Time Devourer...
« on: February 03, 2020, 06:17:58 pm »
I suppose, but then what stopped them from merging once again? Did they require the Frozen Flame, since they sent Harle to steal it? Or was that just a trophy they took on top of destroying FATE?