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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: Want a new Chrono game?

« on: October 09, 2021, 09:40:36 am »

It didn't really tell us what happened to Schala. We still don't know for sure if she merged back with Kid, or if they stayed inidividual entities, and what she was up to after Cross. And then there's the harrowing void of Magus' story never seeing closure. We still don't know how much Serge remembers and what the fate is of the Chrono Trigger heroes in the unified timeline.

Only Masato Kato could write the story for the third game, if he still remembers. But I think it's been too long.

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History, Locations, and Artifacts / Re: Was most of the game post-Arris dome really necessary?

« on: September 24, 2021, 09:28:40 pm »

There's alsot the problem that the Lavos Spawn might inflict the same thing Lavos did, but in other planets. It's pretty much destruction on a galactic scale if allowed to spread.

My head theory is that Lavos isn't the only of it's kind and is essentially the apex cosmic predator. They go to planets with the capacity for life, manipulate the genetics to make the species at it's apex, then the Lavos entity consumes the apex genetic material, adds it to it's own, and spawns. The offspring then move on and do the same thing.

The question regarding this theory of Lavos as a species rather than a unique entity, then, is this: what makes "our" Lavos so different from other Lavoids in that it can exist in the Darkness Beyond Time and literally consume all of space time. Sure, we have the whole merging-with-Schala thing with the Mammon Machine (which was likely, in turn, powered by Lavos' own Frozen Flame aspect), but if Lavos isn't unique, the Frozen Flame likely wouldn't be, either.

Another topic for another thread. Sorry to drive this off course, hahaha...

As far as I know, there's no indication that the production of the Frozen Flame wasn't intentional. And if, like you say, part of Lavos' grand purpose is to evolve the species on the planet it crashes into, it would make sense if producing a Frozen Flame is also part of that plan. After all, it was through the Flame that humanity evolved into something bigger, not through Lavos directly.

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Chrono News / Re: Rumor - Chrono Cross Remaster

« on: September 24, 2021, 12:32:46 pm »

Update: ActRaiser Renaissance, a remake of ActRaiser, was announced and released yesterday.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/pu6a39/actraiser_renaissance_launch_trailer/

Since an ActRaiser remake was part of the Nvidia leak, this makes the chance for a Chrono Cross remaster a lot bigger. Let's keep our hopes up, Chrono Cross on the Nintendo Switch or PS4 / PS5 would be incredible.

Especially if they also release it in Europe, cuz y'know, 22 years after release there still has never been a legal way to buy Chrono Cross in Europe.

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Chrono Cross Modification / Re: Is it possible to make a toggle to hide the UI during battle?

« on: September 17, 2021, 09:37:56 pm »

It's okay, Chrono Cross modding is still new territory, it's not surprising if people don't know...

And as for the forum, it will never be dead as long as people remember us and keep coming back every now and then. It's up to all of us to keep that dream alive. 

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Chrono Cross Modification / Is it possible to make a toggle to hide the UI during battle?

« on: August 16, 2021, 05:28:51 am »

I wanna make some CC videos, it'd be really cool if there was a way to toggle the UI and damage numbers on or off during battle. Does anyone know if such a thing is possible?

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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Why Crono, Marle, and Lucca MUST be alive after the events of Chrono Cross

« on: November 24, 2020, 04:34:55 am »

We don’t know exactly when Dalton started changing the timeline or when he militarized Porre and attacked Guardia. All we know is it most likely happened some time after Trigger and some time before Cross. It’s likely he didn’t initiate his plan until after Crono & co defeated Lavos in 1999, and so the 1999 we see in Trigger does not reflect those changes yet. After all, he needed time to get his bearings, master whatever temporal control he had, and study the new time period he was planning to travel to.

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Chrono Cross Modification / Re: Pip Element Grid Glitch FIX!

« on: February 23, 2020, 07:46:39 am »

Thank you for doing this, very nice!

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Magic, Elements, and Technology / Re: How did FATE killing Serge disable the Prometheus circuit?

« on: February 22, 2020, 06:53:39 pm »

Dunno bout all that, old sphinx boy is pretty vague. Going to "all is lost" from "woe shall befall you" seems like an extreme conclusion. For all we know he could be talking about Schala dying. Which would be pretty sad for sure, after all Belthasar has sacrificed to make it happen.

Anyway, let's say it's true, that means the TD cannot be killed by force alone, period? Even without regarding Schala, the only way to defeat it is this very specific method using the Chrono Cross?

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Magic, Elements, and Technology / Re: How did FATE killing Serge disable the Prometheus circuit?

« on: February 22, 2020, 01:55:38 pm »

I guess that makes sense.

By the way, is the thing in Ultimania about Serge fusing with the TD if he kills it the normal way confirmed to be canon? I mean if you kill it the normal way, it seems to just completely die off, including Schala. I always thought that was the point. Belthasar's plan wasn't about saving the world from the TD. It was about freeing Schala, which required very specific parameters and the Chrono Cross.

What actually confuses me a little is why the TD seems to die off once Schala is freed. It existed as a remnant of Lavos before its fusion with Schala, so I'd assume even without Schala it would live on as a shell of Lavos. Maybe it needed to bond with Schala in order to survive, and couldn't sustain its life without her?

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Magic, Elements, and Technology / Re: How did FATE killing Serge disable the Prometheus circuit?

« on: February 21, 2020, 10:52:59 pm »

The only problem I see with that is one of the Compendium's staple theories, Time Traveler's Immunity. If Kid traveled 10 years back in time, from that point she would be protected from any changes in the timeline, including her own.

The Kid we interact with in the game is pre-time travel Kid. She doesn't know about all this stuff until the infodump at Opassa Beach.

My problem with the whole thing is predestination, which Chrono Trigger was definitely against. Kid is going to save Serge someday, so Serge is saved. But the future doesn't change because you're going to do something, it only changes when you put the effort in. Otherwise CT would have ended with Crono watching the recording of the Day of Lavos; now that he knows about Lavos, he's going to stop it, so Lavos is stopped.

The fact that we know Kid comes back from the future, means there is a future for her to come back from, which means the Time Devourer failed to destroy all space-time. So our victory against it is foreordained and we're just going through the motions. It robs the story of some of its impact. Maybe I'm just overthinking it, but I really wish the writers had come up with some other explanation for Serge's survival.

I mean, it's never specified when the TD reaches maturity and what exactly happens then. With Lavos there was a clear date on the apocalypse, it always happened in 1999 AD. It's said that the TD will devour all spacetime, which I take as all time and space everywhere ceases to exist. So if we assume the TD being succesful in doing so is the default, doesn't that mean that all spacetime should cease to exist the moment he starts bonding with Schala? But that's also predestination.

The same thing can be extended to Chrono Trigger. Lavos arrives on Earth, so the world is destroyed. 

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Magic, Elements, and Technology / Re: How did FATE killing Serge disable the Prometheus circuit?

« on: February 21, 2020, 06:35:31 pm »

   Ten years ago, it was Lynx
   who tried to kill you at
   this beach.
   After Prometheus broke the link
   between FATE and the Flame,
   FATE tried to eliminate any
   obstacle that stood in its way!
   In the meantime, the six
   Dragons had sent Harle
   forth to try and gain
   possession of the Flame.
   Harle made contact with
   FATE's biological incarnation,
   Lynx, and tricked him into
   temporarily joining forces.
   The elimination of the
   Prometheus circuit's lock
   on the Frozen Flame was
   everyone's top priority!

   Lynx and Harle abducted
   Lucca, who alone could
   release the Prometheus lock
   that guarded the Flame...
   But the whole attempt only
   ended in failure.
   Then, they just waited for
   you to appear instead!
   You see, FATE calculated that
   you would one day cross
   the dimensions and try to
   make contact with the Flame.

   Of course, Kid was not to
   know anything about this
   whole plan until later,
   when all this will finish.
   Further in the future, Kid
   is meant to travel back ten
   years in time from now to
   save Serge from drowning.
   And then, Kid was also
   meant to call Serge into the
   other world as he spoke with
   Leena here on Opassa Beach!

The sequence of events seems to be:

• 1006 — Serge makes contact with the Frozen Flame, becomes Arbiter. FATE loses access to the Flame.
• 1010 — Lynx attempts to drown Serge. Kid's intervention creates dimensional split. Prometheus circuit remains active.
• 101? — Lynx and Harle abduct Lucca, but fail to deactivate the Prometheus circuit. FATE waits for Serge to cross the dimensions.
• 1020 — Playable events of the game.
• Unknown point in the future — Kid travels back in time to rescue Serge.

It's possible that Lynx's murder of Serge in the unaltered timeline (before Kid's intervention) released the Prometheus circuit's lock as FATE expected. Satisfied with this outcome, FATE would have had no reason to kidnap Lucca. Kid, in turn, would have had no personal vendetta against Lynx, but played her part in the plan regardless, probably at Lucca's suggestion.

However, that timeline's events (whatever they were) were overwritten due to Kid's intervention creating the dimensional split, and thus we have the weird Schrödinger's cat situation with Serge apparently remaining the Arbiter even in the world where he died. So without knowing how the unaltered timeline played out, it might be impossible to say whether killing Serge would have actually accomplished anything.

The only problem I see with that is one of the Compendium's staple theories, Time Traveler's Immunity. If Kid traveled 10 years back in time, from that point she would be protected from any changes in the timeline, including her own.

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Magic, Elements, and Technology / Re: How did FATE killing Serge disable the Prometheus circuit?

« on: February 21, 2020, 06:31:01 am »

Killing Serge did not break the seal on the Frozen Flame.  It was ASSUMED that killing Serge would give FATE access again, but ended up being false.  This is also why Lucca needed to be kidnapped, so FATE could use her to break the seal.  This also did not pan out.  Later FATE would decide that Serge would eventually travel between Dimensions, and FATE would just steal his identity through Lynx instead.

I am about to do Chronopolis on New Gane Plus today, I will put a fresh pair of eyes on the dialogue and see if I notice anything outside of that.

I thought it failed because Kid went back in time and saved Serge, who retained his status as arbiter across dimensions. If she hadn't done that, would it have worked? Another World was the original timeline, did it have a future where FATE regained access to the Flame by killing Serge and thus kidnapping Lucca wasn't necessary?

Actually... There's something off about all this... That being Kid. The Kid we encounter from the game is from Another World, the main timeline. In 1020 AD, she travels through time and dimensions to save Serge in Home World. But before she does that, in the main timeline, Wazuki successfully drowns Serge in 1010 AD, presumably unlocking access to the Flame, and so there was no need to go kidnap Lucca. And that means no burned down orphanage, no dead Lucca, no traumatized Kid. So how come Kid is the person she is even before she saves Serge?

This is confusing.

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Magic, Elements, and Technology / Re: How did FATE killing Serge disable the Prometheus circuit?

« on: February 20, 2020, 06:28:45 pm »

Dunno about that, I feel like it would still be possible to utilize the Frozen Flame if a new arbiter came in contact with it. The only thing that would happen is, all access to it would be restricted because of the Prometheus circuit. The Flame itself should be able to detect if its arbiter dies; the Prometheus circuit, seems less likely.

I feel like the restrictions on the Frozen Flame are not just concerning the door to the room it's in. There's like 100 mechanical thingies poking at the Flame, which I assume is how they control and operate it. Those are probably disabled until the Arbiter is verified.

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Magic, Elements, and Technology / How did FATE killing Serge disable the Prometheus circuit?

« on: February 20, 2020, 02:08:40 pm »

Never really thought about that, but why would it disable the Prometheus circuit? The Prometheus circuit was built so that once Serge made contact with the Frozen Flame, the circuit would activate and block access from anyone who's not Serge. If that's true, then why would simply killing Serge disable it? We're talking about technology, its programming wouldn't magically change even if it could somehow sense that Serge had died.

Or are we to assume that Wazuki drowned Serge and then dragged his 7 year old corpse back to Chronopolis to unlock the Flame?

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Chrono / Gameplay Casual Discussion / Re: I feel like if Toei Animation did a Chrono Trigger anime for Netflix...

« on: February 16, 2020, 06:13:43 pm »

Oh yeah. The art style change would also be pretty hard to explain (unless they did CC in Toriyama's style as well, which would be interesting), CT is definitely more suited for it.