Chrono Trigger DS Analysis HQ (Spoiler Spoiler, of course)

[Magus22]

I'm hoping when I finish the dialogue for Crimson Echoes. That's when I'll try to eliminate my to-do list (although I guess things are begging for an update before then). If anyone wants to make my life easier, they can compile all the schools of thought and name theories to them (I'll still read the entire thread, of course, and there will probably be final discussions).

This is an excellent idea. I can go back a couple pages, collect and piece together mine after my final exam tomorrow. It will give me something to do before studying for the next exam...

However, it will be everything up until my last speculation on the origin of the clones - where I believed they were from the Black Omen.

[utunnels]

Maybe they are just a trial from the Entity?
Since after the battle, it says 'someone's latent powers awakened.'

Or it reminds me the ghost children in CC, only the trio are there, how strange.

[art_garfunkel]

Maybe they are just a trial from the Entity?
Since after the battle, it says 'someone's latent powers awakened.'

Or it reminds me the ghost children in CC, only the trio are there, how strange.

Their dialogue gives them the same motivation as the appearance of the ghost children in the Dead Sea, so I think its safe to say that they are the same or very similar apparitions. Which would make them the ghosts of a dead future that was eliminated by Chrono and team in their time-traveling exploits.

(By the way, is their dialogue in the game or just in the script dump? I have yet to play that part.)

[Dark Serge]

Well when I fought the shades they had no dialogue. It seems far fetched to me that they are the ghost children, but then again, since they're trying to tie CT to CC, who knows.

[Nexus]

They don't speak at all, so the only dialogue you can have when you encounter them is from your party.

[utunnels]

They don't speak... That sounds like they are some shadow like things...

[Nexus]

They don't speak... That sounds like they are some shadow like things...

That is implied since all of their names has Shade in it. They are called Crimson Shade, Steel Shade, and Alabaster Shade.

[chrono eric]

Their dialogue gives them the same motivation as the appearance of the ghost children in the Dead Sea, so I think its safe to say that they are the same or very similar apparitions. Which would make them the ghosts of a dead future that was eliminated by Chrono and team in their time-traveling exploits.

(By the way, is their dialogue in the game or just in the script dump? I have yet to play that part.)

This is exactly what I thought.

Maybe the clones are previous versions of Crono/Marle/Lucca that got shafted to the Darkness Beyond Time throughout their journey and they are pissed about that. Doubtful, I know, but I don't really see a reason or motive why a Crono from a different dimension would want to kill the party.

I'm glad it wasn't such a crazy idea after all.

[Dark Serge]

They have dialogue? What dialogue, exactly?

[Shadow D. Darkman]

Probably from the Japanese version, Dark.

[Vehek]

art_garfunkel might be talking about the lines I posted from a script dump.

[art_garfunkel]

art_garfunkel might be talking about the lines I posted from a script dump.

Yes, I couldn't find the post, but I definitely saw some lines in a script dump that were attributed to them. Thank you.

[Cronyx]

Sorry if this has been resolved in the 20-some odd pages of this thread. Regarding OP's video link, I prefer this one instead due to Magus being actually in the party which clears up some confusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c2OnkfNK0M

My take on it is that when Crono & co (with Magus in toe) arrive on the scene here, they are encountering "600ad Magus", the Magus form the alternate (original?) timeline in which Lavos was successfully summoned by Magus at his castle as would have happened if Crono and party had not interfered. 600ad Magus doesn't seem to recognize them (from his point of view, it is the first time he's met them), but he quickly deduces what's happened based on seeing an alternate version of himself with that party. As happened originally in that timeline, when he attempts to engage Lavos alone, he is promptly slain. That is the end of 600ad Magus. The Magus that we see later in the cutscene is actually the present timeline's Magus, the one that was in Crono's party moments before. Being slightly older and much more powerful (600ad Magus was only approximately level 35), he isn't completely slain by Lavos' onslaught, and through force of will, pulls himself together long enough to have the dialog with Schala we see in that scene.

It is THAT Magus then, that loses his memory that we see in Radical Dreamers and Chrono Cross.

[Shadow D. Darkman]

Wait, doesn't Magus still have his memory as Magil in RD?

I can see him having no memory and becoming Guile in CC, but not in RD.

[HyperNerd]

Yeah, Magil has his meomory. BTW, I just got the English Version of Radical Dreamers, and it's actually quite cool.