Fuuuuck me, now the same two are defending the idea that a person's genetics are the result of some karma from reincarnation.
Hear that? Beautiful, vapid, shallow people were apparently saints in past lives, while ugly people were total assholes! It all makes fucking sense!
Why, why why why why why why why why why why why can some people not accept reality, science, genetics, etc. etc. etc.? Yes, to accept science and reality is to accept that the world is not fair. And that's the first step before we try to make it fair. The horrible state of this world should be proof enough that spiritualist karma is an idiotic falsehood.
Really, though; for someone to say that ugly people deserve it from karma...
Wow. What a touchy subject.
Though I am an advocate of the separation of church and state, I nevertheless feel the need for internal, spiritual guidance and comfort as I face the day's struggles.
As for the horrible state of the world as being "proof enough" for the idiocy of spiritualism, do realize that a lot of the evil that is in this world is mostly self-inflicted (drugs, alcohol, shooting up, etc.), inflicted on others (rape, murder, assault, kidnapping, etc.) and naturally occurring (earthquakes, hurricanes, forest fires, and other natural disasters).
It's erroneous to assign evil to that which isn't inherently evil. Can a needle shoot up someone by itself? Can a gun shoot someone by itself? Does a storm have a conscience?
What you fail to realize is that all bad things in this world are required for life to exist. In fact, a lot of the
"evils" out there provide us with more pleasure than pain. We need conflict (both internal and external) in our lives in order to grow and mature. Without it, we would never be who we are today.
If you don't believe me (and I can't say I blame you), name one instance in your life where you matured from an experience that wasn't without internal and/or external conflict.
These are just my thoughts about it. These are by no means an absolute about how I perceive humanity. What says you, Z?