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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2005, 09:29:31 pm »
Porre defeated Guardia.  Kato, the head guy for Chrono Cross, and parts of Trigger, explicitly said Porre defeated Guardia.  The Porre flag in the CT PSX version is further proof.

And I don't believe those "ghosts" are of Crono or Marle.  No proof whatsoever.

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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2005, 10:11:59 pm »
I just assumed that because when you talk with Lucca on Opassa Beach, she says that "we no longer exist in this timeline,"  Instead of "I."

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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2005, 10:15:07 pm »
Where is the Porre flag in CC, cuz I don't remember seeing it anywhere. I had totally forgot there was a flag in that movie in CT until I just watched it a second ago to confirm. I always thought it was the Guardia flag symbollically falling. And I don't recall reading Kato ever explicitly saying Porre defeated Guardia. Can you find that for me?

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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2005, 10:20:37 pm »
In CC, the Porre flag is all over the place in Termina after Porre occupies it.

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Question: In Chrono Cross, Porre has a great military, a strong kingdom, and even caused the fall of Guardia. The question is, how did such a small village grow to be so large and powerful to even overthrow the kingdom of Guardia and expand so much in a mere 20 years?
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MK: Actually, this is not explained in any of the games, but Porre had some kind of intervention or help originating outside of the original flow of history. But if I start to explain this, it will take me a long time to finish, so I'll stop myself here. (laughs) As it doesn't directly have anything to do with the story of Cross, we cut the details out of the game.

http://www.gamepro.com/sony/psx/games/features/7033.shtml

Guy asks how Porre overthrew Guardia, and Kato starts to answer, before stopping himself before rambling.

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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2005, 10:38:59 pm »
Point taken, though I have to say the Kato never actually acknowledges Porre defeating Guardia, he just says how Porre had outside help to get strong. But you're probably right.

Then again, I'm confused by the ending movie of CT. It also shows a burning town, and supposedly Truce is not Guardia, and Guardia doesn't have a town...at least not in CT. Maybe it developed one afterwards, I dunno. But it also shows a bloody Masamune (looking like it normally does) from a spot stuck in the ground. It would be assumed that once someone who's hopes and dreams are evil (be it Lynx or whoever took the sword) took hold of it, the Masamune would transform to look the way it does in CC...right? Weird.

The PSX port really does suck...ugh...

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« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2005, 10:40:17 pm »
Yeah, that ending is why I'm still confused.  I mean, it doesn't show the gang getting offed, but still...

If Porre had nothing to do with Lynx, then why did they hold him in such high regard?

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2005, 10:57:59 pm »
...what? Lynx showed up to Porre, proved his genius/usefullness somehow, and was held in high respects and given a high rank (simply referred to as "sir" unless in other cases that I've forgotten). What's your question?

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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2005, 11:02:54 pm »
The person asks how Porre got strong enough to overthrow Guardia, and even mentioned it in his question, and Kato acknowledged it and vaguly answered it.

Apparently unlike Porre, Truce is a village, not a country.  Truce is a village of Guardia.  I'll break down the video as how I understand it.  It starts off talking about the Fall of Guardia.  Its the inside of Guardia Castle, as the Guardia Crest is on the back wall.  Shadowed Figure 1 kills Shadowed Figure 2.  Porre Flag flashed.  We then go to the Masamune disappearing.  Village burning, people dead.  "Good" Masamune in blood.  This basically explains how the Masamune turned evil: kill all those people.  And it somehow ties it to Porre, being in the same video that has the fall of Guardia.

After the invasion, Porre does eventually have contact and dealings with Lynx.  People assume Lynx had something to do with the fall, but thats not so.  Serge's father was even corrupted by FATE untill 1006 (a year after the Fall), and he didn't fully turn into Lynx till 1010, I think.  So impossible for Lynx to have had something to do with it.

I have always guessed that unanswered questions on Guardia's fall were to be answered in the next Chrono game.

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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2005, 11:39:44 pm »
Ok, all makes sense.

What doesn't is that that video only plays if you beat CT PSX getting any ending EXCEPT the ACTUAL, complete, normal (whatever) ending. Meaning if you only played the game the way it was supposed to and played out the story the way we all acknowledge it, including the way it happened in the world of CC, this ending wouldn't have happened.

?????

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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2005, 11:45:27 pm »
I never got it myself (dont have the PSX version), but I you get it with NewGame+ some how.  I just downloaded it online.

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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2005, 01:41:15 am »
Quote from: Mystik3eb
Ok, all makes sense.

What doesn't is that that video only plays if you beat CT PSX getting any ending EXCEPT the ACTUAL, complete, normal (whatever) ending. Meaning if you only played the game the way it was supposed to and played out the story the way we all acknowledge it, including the way it happened in the world of CC, this ending wouldn't have happened.

?????

*sigh* Brain...stop...swelling...


Good question.  The first time I beat the game (without New Game +), it didn't run.  The other endings differed in what they showed.  The "Marle becomes a Frog" episode didn't, but the "Nu, Frog And Kiwala" one did.  Every "all the way through" game I played afterwards had the gory piece on it, too.  How odd.

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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2005, 02:22:48 am »
...what? On my play throughs, the additional ending didn't show up on ANY complete play-throughs, but showed up on ALL additional endings. Then again I have yet to try beating Lavos earlier than the complete ending without a New Game +...now that'd be one helluva challenge.

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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2005, 02:25:32 am »
Seems like all the games I finished that I had used a "New Game +" on had it.  I'll replay it sometime from a "New Game" and see if it pops up.

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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2005, 08:14:22 am »
The Fall of Guardia sequence occurs in New Game+ endings after that one w/Frog & the Queen shtupping and making things all...weird...>_>

Or however you perceive that ending...

Although it might not play if you get the Developers Ending in the Ocean Palace...I'm not sure...

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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2005, 09:57:46 am »
I wonder if there's a reason for their doing that...  Probably just an "unpleasant surprise ending" or something.