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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2005, 01:33:02 pm »
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Well, The game does revolve around FATE, which is like giving off the idea that an entity of Fate exists. NVM, this is off topic.


It is, but how does a computer verify the presence of a godly cosmic force?

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How can Lavos change a moon? If he landed on the planet, the moon has been the same thing always. Especially in the reptite dimension, where he didn't even land at all. Possibly though, the Red Moon could have been changed from the white moon in the reptite dimension to represent the whole body of the Dragon God.


I guess you have a point. Maybe either A) When the Dark Moon was warped here, it changed somehow so as not to contradict the already existing moon or B) it appeared closer to Earth than the real moon, giving it a reddish tint like that. ((Which is scientifically feasible :D))

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Well, The Dragon God is really called the Lunar Dragon in the japanese version of the game. It's because it is formed with Harle. Possibly it's called the Time Devourer in the english version because with Harle and the flame, the dragon god may have wanted to gain so much power to get their body back and to kill of the humans or change time or something.


Either way, the Dragon God is part of Lavos at this point.

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Also, what tail? Well, Lavos did get ahold of their original body to train the energy, but Schala didn't truely dissapear, her body didn't disintergrate or merge even yet. I think Serge also has something to do with that. Might be Schala+Lavos+Dragon God's power+ Serge.


Frankly, if Lavos absorbed their power, how do they have all that power then? Crossing dimensions, influencing their elements, making their dreams real in other dimensions...creating Harle, and so forth. And how do you figure Serge fits into this equation?

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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2005, 08:56:41 pm »
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It is, but how does a computer verify the presence of a godly cosmic force?
How does The Dragon God think the Planet has emotions? How does Belthasar think that he's the God of Fate, the Prophet of Time anyway.

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I guess you have a point. Maybe either A) When the Dark Moon was warped here, it changed somehow so as not to contradict the already existing moon or B) it appeared closer to Earth than the real moon, giving it a reddish tint like that. ((Which is scientifically feasible ))

Well, Since the moons would be the same if they were from the same planet, but a different dimension, that can't technically work. If the Red Moon was closer, it'd be bigger than the white moon. If it was fartherer away, it'd be more brighter because it'd get more sun.

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Either way, the Dragon God is part of Lavos at this point.

Only Physically, Mentally and maybe spiritually, it's outside the dimension. Harle especially is physically, mentally and Spiritually alive. I think that the reason why they took the flame and Harle had to remerge was because now they truely became physical again, with the power of the flame or something.

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Frankly, if Lavos absorbed their power, how do they have all that power then? Crossing dimensions, influencing their elements, making their dreams real in other dimensions...creating Harle, and so forth. And how do you figure Serge fits into this equation?

Well, like everything, The Dragon God's true power would probably have been sealed, but they can still use the elements since it's their incarnate. Crossing dimensions may just be a spiritual or mental thing, or if the red moon represents the dragon god, it could be sustaining them. With Harle, since the FF binded them, and since the magnetic storm caused a disruption with the flame, Chronopolis and Lavos (well she was like trying to save Serge so she must have done something to him), the Dragon God may have swiped some of Schala or Lavos power and sent out Harle in a ditch effort. With Serge, I have no idea. Might be because he's purely the arbiter. Maybe because Lavos read Schala's mind and saw Serge and her saving him for some resaon, so he must be important. I don't really go with the "Since he lived, it's his fault it'll be created one day (the TD)". Because how is him being alive segnificant. What if Lynx was stopped  before he even got to Serge, and Serge lived on to 1020. And those ghost children can't blame him, because if they know everything, then they should know that it was Kid and Belthasars fault for saving him, probably causing the dimensional split, and the dead sea to be created.

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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2005, 10:39:35 pm »
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It is, but how does a computer verify the presence of a godly cosmic force?

How does The Dragon God think the Planet has emotions? How does Belthasar think that he's the God of Fate, the Prophet of Time anyway.


Supposidly, the planet really does have emotions.  Belthasar never calls himself a god of fate and his claim to be the prophet of time shouldn't be taken literally.

However, FATE and the Dragon God are nothing more that super-advanced machines.  Characters allude to a fate, but there is nothing to suggest such an entity really exists.

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I guess you have a point. Maybe either A) When the Dark Moon was warped here, it changed somehow so as not to contradict the already existing moon or B) it appeared closer to Earth than the real moon, giving it a reddish tint like that. ((Which is scientifically feasible ))

Well, Since the moons would be the same if they were from the same planet, but a different dimension, that can't technically work. If the Red Moon was closer, it'd be bigger than the white moon. If it was fartherer away, it'd be more brighter because it'd get more sun.


Why couldn't the moon be different in another dimension?  Anyway, you're right that the red moon is a lot smaller.  The color would be due to the composition of its surface.

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Either way, the Dragon God is part of Lavos at this point.

Only Physically, Mentally and maybe spiritually, it's outside the dimension. Harle especially is physically, mentally and Spiritually alive. I think that the reason why they took the flame and Harle had to remerge was because now they truely became physical again, with the power of the flame or something.


I disagree.

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Belthasar:
   The Dragon Gods were originally
   a singular plasma life-form...
   ...A living accumulation of the
   planet's energy!
   Originally it was a biological
   machine used to control the
   powers of nature in the future
   society of the Reptites.
   In order to control the natural
   energy itself, FATE divided the
   one Dragon God entity up into
   6 weaker plasma life-forms...

   Then scattered them across
   the land and sealed them away.
   Their dragon-like appearances
   are just pseudo-guises...
   ...Temporary forms they take
   so that they can appear in
   this dimension.


Belthasar:
   But all that changed when
   FATE was vanquished and its
   powerhold was eliminated!
   At that moment, the seven
   Dragons who had been
   rendered almost powerless
   and forgotten...
   traveled across the
   dimensions to reunite
   into a single entity!


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The one who was to work to
   free the other Dragons from
   their bondage by the FATE
   computer...
   The child the others created on
   the night of the electric storm
   that temporarily caused FATE
   to loosen its hold on them...


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Belthasar:
   That thing...
   the '"Dragon God"'...
   is only a quasi-existence...
   ...A temporary form that
   the real Dragon God uses
   in order to appear within
   this dimension.


Belthasar:
   The actual Dragon God
   was consumed long ago,
   in the distant past...
   Integrated by the entity
   known as Lavos in a time
   on the other side of the
   dimensional darkness.


The original Dragon God was integrated into Lavos in the DBT.  The physical manifestations of the Dragons in Home and Another dimension are simply projections, bound by FATE using the Frozen Flame to exploit their energy manipulating fuctions.

Harle was an agent of the unified Dragon God (and hence Lavos), created to eliminate FATE's control.  Apparently the Frozen Flame gave FATE an unwanted influence over Lavos.

The Dragon God is as much a slave of Lavos, in every respect, as Wazuki is a slave of FATE.

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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2005, 04:22:17 pm »
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I guess you have a point. Maybe either A) When the Dark Moon was warped here, it changed somehow so as not to contradict the already existing moon or B) it appeared closer to Earth than the real moon, giving it a reddish tint like that. ((Which is scientifically feasible ))

Well, Since the moons would be the same if they were from the same planet, but a different dimension, that can't technically work. If the Red Moon was closer, it'd be bigger than the white moon. If it was fartherer away, it'd be more brighter because it'd get more sun.

Why couldn't the moon be different in another dimension?  Anyway, you're right that the red moon is a lot smaller.  The color would be due to the composition of its surface.


Haven't you seen a harvest moon? The color is similar to the moons color. It basically is caused by the shadow of the earth, you can read more here http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/watchtheskies/13oct_lunareclipse.html

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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2005, 04:45:47 pm »
That still doesn't explain why the original moon shifted from yellow to blue though.

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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2005, 05:38:15 pm »
Wait...refresh my memory, when was the moon yellow? In the cinema at Viper Manor during the beginning of the game, it's blue and if memory serves that's the first time you get a clear glance at it.

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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2005, 05:43:21 pm »
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That still doesn't explain why the original moon shifted from yellow to blue though.


Is the original moon the one in front?

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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2005, 06:14:52 pm »
The Original Moon is the big yellow one, next to the red one. The original moon is original because it was in CT aswell atop death peak.

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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2005, 06:16:46 pm »
The original moon was yellow in CT (Magus Castle, Death Peak, artworks and FFChronicles). It appeared kinda orange at the top of the Black Omen when you fight Zeal, but I guess orange is close enough to yellow. In the orphanage flashback in CC, you can see a single moon and it's yellow (the fact that the second moon is nowhere to be seen it weird though).

I don't know which moon is supposed to be in front of the other... maybe the red moon gravitates around the original moon so that it was behind it during the orphanage sequence (why the heck would the scenarists have done that?). Maybe when the red moon is visible it somehow makes the original moon look blue instead of the original yellow color (I don't know if it's possible, I don't know anything about "astronomic optics" or whatever...).

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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2005, 07:39:34 pm »
When in doubt, a wizard did it; DALTON >_> bastard.

Dalton: T_T >_> o.o

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2005, 08:58:23 pm »
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Haven't you seen a harvest moon? The color is similar to the moons color. It basically is caused by the shadow of the earth, you can read more here http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/watchtheskies/13oct_lunareclipse.html


That's true, but I don't think the entire game takes place during a Lunar Eclipse.  The moon is red colored, even if viewed in full sunlight from space.

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That still doesn't explain why the original moon shifted from yellow to blue though.


Obviously, that scene takes place Once in a Blue Moon (science.nasa.gov).  :)

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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2005, 03:07:18 am »
There's no sign of the red moon either back in 7600BC, in the flash backs, and you can't see it in the Dinopolis dimension either.

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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2005, 03:31:03 pm »
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Haven't you seen a harvest moon? The color is similar to the moons color. It basically is caused by the shadow of the earth, you can read more here http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/watchtheskies/13oct_lunareclipse.html


That's true, but I don't think the entire game takes place during a Lunar Eclipse.  The moon is red colored, even if viewed in full sunlight from space.


It is possible, but probably not probable.