Author Topic: [HIATUS] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)  (Read 15958 times)

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First off, I have only this to work from:
http://sdb.drshnaps.com/images/BGs/CT/ZealPalace.png
Now, my question is this:
There are 3 doorways in that image:
One on the far left, leading down a hallway to a fork that leads to Janus and Schala's rooms.

One leading down the main corridor (in the center) to the Mammon machine room.

But, where does the one farthest to the right lead? (or I may have it backwards and that one leads to J and S's rooms...)

Is it the room that resembles the Mammon Machine room, but has some sort of throan instead? (I don't remember well... and I don't have ZSNES with me or the patience to play up to Zeal just for a small detail lookup...)

If there's a map here on the compendium that I may have missed, please point it out?
« Last Edit: June 16, 2008, 07:07:30 am by Satoh »

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Re: [HELP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2008, 02:15:44 am »
Right rooms
Left Mammon machine
Center the royal throne, similar to the mammon machine room.
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Re: [HELP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2008, 02:23:34 am »
Bah! I was completely wrong on all accounts XD;;;

Oh well useful much, thanks.

I'll show off my prelims as soon as I get something decent looking... til then...

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Re: [WIP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2008, 05:59:52 am »
I'm hoping progress is worthy of a double post...

Here is the first image of Zeal Palace, unskinned, low detail...

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Re: [WIP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2008, 01:07:54 pm »
Good so far! What app are you using?

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Re: [WIP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2008, 02:19:58 pm »
Maya 8.5, I took a class in it last semester. I had some issues with the stairs, if you look at the original map, some of the stairs don't seem to occupy all 3 dimentions...(like they're painted onto the wall) So I had to take a little creative leeway... But I suppose a few things can't be helped... I plan on making the whole palace one file, continous mapped, from the main hall to all the corridors, to the rooms, to the mammon machine... if they all fit without overlapping.

(BTW, the mammon machine the JS rooms both use the same hallway right? and the Throne room uses a different one?
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Re: [WIP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2008, 04:13:22 pm »
Maya 8.5, I took a class in it last semester. I had some issues with the stairs, if you look at the original map, some of the stairs don't seem to occupy all 3 dimentions...(like they're painted onto the wall) So I had to take a little creative leeway... But I suppose a few things can't be helped... I plan on making the whole palace one file, continous mapped, from the main hall to all the corridors, to the rooms, to the mammon machine... if they all fit without overlapping.

(BTW, the mammon machine the JS rooms both use the same hallway right? and the Throne room uses a different one?

Nice to see someone else use Maya as well.

If you have any questions about the program, please feel free to ask.

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Re: [WIP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2008, 05:02:53 pm »
(BTW, the mammon machine the JS rooms both use the same hallway right? and the Throne room uses a different one?
Mammon machine is the far right one. Hall to the throne is the one left of that.  J & S's hallway is the one below the throne room hallway.

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Re: [WIP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2008, 05:41:40 pm »
(BTW, the mammon machine the JS rooms both use the same hallway right? and the Throne room uses a different one?
Mammon machine is the far right one. Hall to the throne is the one left of that.  J & S's hallway is the one below the throne room hallway.

Sorry, no I meant, that the design of the hallways leading to Janus and Schala's room is the same design as the one leading to the Machine.... right?

Or does the machine room's hallway have the same structure as the throne room's...?

See: First post link for reference to what I mean... One hallway has gargoyle statues in it (presumably the one leading to the machine and sleeping quarters) while another hallway has maiden statues(assumedly the one leading to the throne) there is no third hallway design so one must be used twice, I need to know which one...


Did that make sense that time?

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Re: [WIP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2008, 05:44:16 pm »
Janus & Schala don't really have a "hallway"; it's just the room below the maiden statues on the picture you gave.

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Re: [WIP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2008, 05:50:44 pm »
Janus & Schala don't really have a "hallway"; it's just the room below the maiden statues on the picture you gave.

Ahhhh ok, I hadn't even considered that as a possibility... Thanks, it makes more sense now.... though I may not be able to fit all the rooms in here without changing proportions... looks like Janus and Schala's room might intercept the throne room corridor....

I'll figure something out though! I want to make it seem as accurate as possible.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, that I'm using the actual16x16 gridwork of the tiles to get my proportions some things don't seem to match up realisticly between the 2d and 3d but it'll look pretty good in the end anyway...I hope.

EDIT2:here's how I have things linking up right now, look right?

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Re: [WIP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2008, 06:32:57 pm »
New progress...

Here is the bulk of the rooms all assembled... unfortunitely, the throne room hallway and schala's room DID in fact intersect by two tiles... so I made both of them marginally thinner... not extremely noticable... but it annoys me...

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Re: [WIP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2008, 08:03:04 pm »
Woah. Satoh, if you complete this and tilt it a bit, you could make a pre-rendered backdrop that could be used in the Chrono Cross hack, perhaps for some kind of flashback or temporal-dimensional trickery or something. Very nice!

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Re: [WIP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2008, 08:26:15 pm »
I try very hard to get the accuracy... the real trick is gonna be the throne and machine rooms... as they're rendered in an odd perspective that's... distinctly not often seen in the game... I'll figure out some way of deperspectivating it so I can get it's proportions... eventually...not only that but it has all those wierd gargoyls in it's base...

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Re: [WIP] Zeal Palace in 3D (one person can't do all of Zeal, ne?)
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2008, 08:53:49 pm »
I can definitely see the problem with the stairs in from of the hall to the MM.