The Darkness Beyond Time?

[ZealKnight]

Is that like where discarded timelines go? For instance if Crono had died nothing would be there, but because he won everything after that point was sent there. I read it in the encyclopedia, but could if there is only one then wouldn't be that after the unification all the lavoses would be thrown there thus he would fuse with all of them? (If that is a possability perhaps Chrono Break would use that to its advantage) Also how did freeing Schala unify the time lines?

[ZealKnight]

Would anyone like to respond

[satchel_dawg]

Also how did freeing Schala unify the time lines?

schala being drained of her power created TD and if TD was destroyed then all the different worlds created by the TD would disapear like nothing ever happened.

[ZealKnight]

so the TD created all the time lines?

[Kyronea]

schala being drained of her power created TD and if TD was destroyed then all the different worlds created by the TD would disapear like nothing ever happened.

What?

No, that is not what happened at all, and if you listen to this person, ZealKnight, you are a fool.

Is that like where discarded timelines go?

In essence, yes. The Darkness Beyond Time acts as a sort of universal archive of destroyed or discarded timelines altered by time travel. Think of it as the Recycle Bin in Windows.

So, if A goes to January 1st, 2007 and alters X to X', the timeline that proceeded from X is transferred to the DBT, while the timeline that proceeds X' is the new timeline.

For instance if Crono had died nothing would be there, but because he won everything after that point was sent there.

I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to. Any changes made send the original timeline prior to the change into the DBT. That means that from the second Marle was blasted into the Gate in 1000 A.D. at the start of the game, all sorts of timelines were tossed into the DBT. We simply refer to the whole of the game as one timeline for ease of reference.

I read it in the encyclopedia, but could if there is only one then wouldn't be that after the unification all the lavoses would be thrown there thus he would fuse with all of them? (If that is a possability perhaps Chrono Break would use that to its advantage)

We don't know if there is only one DBT for all realities, or if each reality has a DBT.

Furthermore, what happened with Lavos has nothing to do with fusing with himself or what have you. Basically, the altered timeline in which he survived and spawned in the ruined future was tossed into the DBT after he was killed. Because he is such a powerful entity that he can affect time, he preserved the Lavos timeline version of himself in the DBT--or so one would presume, as otherwise there is no way he could have ended up in the DBT--and then he fused with Schala when she ended up in the DBT--possibly sent there by himself as a backup plan--after the new Ocean Palace Incident in which Crono and friends were participants. It is only the fusion of Lavos and Schala that created the Time Devourer.

Also how did freeing Schala unify the time lines?

Okay, first, one has to understand exactly what the Chrono Cross is. The Chrono Cross is a unification of the two Dragon Tears, one from each universe. It has the power to unify the dimensions when used outside of time, because it restores everything to a healthier state.

Given that Home and Another are interconnected in several ways unlike any reality seen in the game--through methods such as the character in your avatar, Turnip, who is a member of the Dream Species being dreamed up by someone in the other reality--they are really more like two halves of one whole, even though everything is copied. As such, they would be unified back together, restoring whatever harm to the universe was caused by the splitting. For all we know the splitting could have caused some gigantic tear that would eventually screw everything up entirely.

Schala and Lavos are two distinct beings who were being fused together into a new being. The Chrono Cross thus exerted its power to restore them each to themselves--Schala to Schala, and Lavos to Lavos. What happened to Lavos after this is unknown.

Just destroying the entity that was the Time Devourer would not be anywhere near enough to reunify the dimensions. It was the Chrono Cross that did so, and it could only do so outside of time, in the Darkness Beyond Time.

[ZealKnight]

schala being drained of her power created TD and if TD was destroyed then all the different worlds created by the TD would disapear like nothing ever happened.

What?

No, that is not what happened at all, and if you listen to this person, ZealKnight, you are a fool.

Is that like where discarded timelines go?

In essence, yes. The Darkness Beyond Time acts as a sort of universal archive of destroyed or discarded timelines altered by time travel. Think of it as the Recycle Bin in Windows.

So, if A goes to January 1st, 2007 and alters X to X', the timeline that proceeded from X is transferred to the DBT, while the timeline that proceeds X' is the new timeline.

For instance if Crono had died nothing would be there, but because he won everything after that point was sent there.

I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to. Any changes made send the original timeline prior to the change into the DBT. That means that from the second Marle was blasted into the Gate in 1000 A.D. at the start of the game, all sorts of timelines were tossed into the DBT. We simply refer to the whole of the game as one timeline for ease of reference.

I read it in the encyclopedia, but could if there is only one then wouldn't be that after the unification all the lavoses would be thrown there thus he would fuse with all of them? (If that is a possability perhaps Chrono Break would use that to its advantage)

We don't know if there is only one DBT for all realities, or if each reality has a DBT.

Furthermore, what happened with Lavos has nothing to do with fusing with himself or what have you. Basically, the altered timeline in which he survived and spawned in the ruined future was tossed into the DBT after he was killed. Because he is such a powerful entity that he can affect time, he preserved the Lavos timeline version of himself in the DBT--or so one would presume, as otherwise there is no way he could have ended up in the DBT--and then he fused with Schala when she ended up in the DBT--possibly sent there by himself as a backup plan--after the new Ocean Palace Incident in which Crono and friends were participants. It is only the fusion of Lavos and Schala that created the Time Devourer.

Also how did freeing Schala unify the time lines?

Okay, first, one has to understand exactly what the Chrono Cross is. The Chrono Cross is a unification of the two Dragon Tears, one from each universe. It has the power to unify the dimensions when used outside of time, because it restores everything to a healthier state.

Given that Home and Another are interconnected in several ways unlike any reality seen in the game--through methods such as the character in your avatar, Turnip, who is a member of the Dream Species being dreamed up by someone in the other reality--they are really more like two halves of one whole, even though everything is copied. As such, they would be unified back together, restoring whatever harm to the universe was caused by the splitting. For all we know the splitting could have caused some gigantic tear that would eventually screw everything up entirely.

Schala and Lavos are two distinct beings who were being fused together into a new being. The Chrono Cross thus exerted its power to restore them each to themselves--Schala to Schala, and Lavos to Lavos. What happened to Lavos after this is unknown.

Just destroying the entity that was the Time Devourer would not be anywhere near enough to reunify the dimensions. It was the Chrono Cross that did so, and it could only do so outside of time, in the Darkness Beyond Time.

ok so i understand a little more now. so the chrono cross fused the timelines? and turnip could have been in the original timeline(hes my favorite character)? and i meant if crono never went through time then nothing would have ever gone there, is that correct?

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I read it in the encyclopedia, but could if there is only one then wouldn't be that after the unification all the lavoses would be thrown there thus he would fuse with all of them? (If that is a possability perhaps Chrono Break would use that to its advantage)
We don't know if there is only one DBT for all realities, or if each reality has a DBT.

Furthermore, what happened with Lavos has nothing to do with fusing with himself or what have you. Basically, the altered timeline in which he survived and spawned in the ruined future was tossed into the DBT after he was killed. Because he is such a powerful entity that he can affect time, he preserved the Lavos timeline version of himself in the DBT--or so one would presume, as otherwise there is no way he could have ended up in the DBT--and then he fused with Schala when she ended up in the DBT--possibly sent there by himself as a backup plan--after the new Ocean Palace Incident in which Crono and friends were participants. It is only the fusion of Lavos and Schala that created the Time Devourer.

I thought that the TD fused/or devoured everything that came into contact with the frozen flame and i would think that since the frozen flame was part of lavos after the time lines unified they would also unify(each lavos from every timeline i mean), not to mention destroy everything in DBT. that just what I though would happen. Oh, one more thing so is the TD gone forever?

[Kyronea]

ok so i understand a little more now. so the chrono cross fused the timelines? and turnip could have been in the original timeline(hes my favorite character)? and i meant if crono never went through time then nothing would have ever gone there, is that correct?

Yes, the Chrono Cross fused the timelines. As for Turnip...I don't know. It's possible, but it might not be due to how specifically he exists. He only exists when the soldier in the other world is dreaming. In other words, while it's possible, it's not likely.

As for whether anything would have gone there had Chrono not time traveled? That's not entirely true. While nothing Chrono would have done would pass through there, you have to take into account the Lavos timeline of events. Magus and the Gurus all ended up in different time periods having influence on events and thus many different timelines would have gone to the DBT. Then there's the possibility of time travel by other people somewhere else in the Chronoverse, and so on and so forth.

So while nothing Chrono would have changed would have ended up there, there would still be plenty of discarded timelines.

I thought that the TD fused/or devoured everything that came into contact with the frozen flame and i would think that since the frozen flame was part of lavos after the time lines unified they would also unify(each lavos from every timeline i mean), not to mention destroy everything in DBT. that just what I though would happen. Oh, one more thing so is the TD gone forever?

What? Nononono. The Time Devourer would consume all of space-time according to Belthesar, not just whatever might have come into contact with the Frozen Flame. The DBT would not cease to exist because the Time Devourer ceased to exist as it is an integral part of the universe(s); it would be like expecting the dimension of height to disappear if one were to destroy an extremely tall building.

And yes, the Time Devourer is eliminated permently, and will never return, as Schala was an integral part of the Time Devourer, and without her, it can never come to be.

[ZealKnight]

And yes, the Time Devourer is eliminated permently, and will never return, as Schala was an integral part of the Time Devourer, and without her, it can never come to be.

im saying is lavos dead there like not there anymore.

[Kyronea]

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im saying is lavos dead there like not there anymore.

Unless there was some fluke that allowed Lavos to live that we are just unaware of, he is dead, yes.

[ZealKnight]

and after the time unification thing i though thats there were endless timelines for each choice. So did they all fuse together or did all the meaningless ones go to the DBT?

[Kyronea]

and after the time unification thing i though thats there were endless timelines for each choice. So did they all fuse together or did all the meaningless ones go to the DBT?

Hmm? No, no, the only timelines/realities/what-have-you that unified were Home and Another. All other realities remain the same as they were, since they were never two parts of one whole to begin with, as Home and Another were.

All other realities kept on going as they were with whatever took place in said realities.

[ZealKnight]

so there was like a million realities to begin with?

[Kyronea]

so there was like a million realities to begin with?

A million is a pitifully small number. If you want a number to look at, think something like sesquintillian, though in truth it would be infinite.

But yes, there were plenty of realities to begin with. Belthesar simply split one reality--his--into two realities, in order to form the Chrono Cross, as it was the only way of saving Schala as well as destroying the Time Devourer, and the Chrono Cross could only be formed by uniting the shards of the two Dragon Tears.

[ZealKnight]

Oh, well that changes everything. Now I understand why there isn't a chrono break. but are you sure they were there from the begining? when is that said in chrono cross? I ask because I thought it said after the time crash the time line split to an infinit number of timelines.

[Kyronea]

Oh, well that changes everything. Now I understand why there isn't a chrono break. but are you sure they were there from the begining? when is that said in chrono cross? I ask because I thought it said after the time crash the time line split to an infinit number of timelines.

It's not specifically stated in Chrono Cross per se, but Chronopolis does research other timelines, and, among other things, contains data on the Reptite timeline--the one from which Dinopolis was pulled--and the Radical Dreamers timeline. Now, while the Reptite Timeline does not entirely argue for this, the existance of the Radical Dreamers timeline, which had no real relation to the story whatsoever, does prove that there are at least some other timelines out there, and thus it makes more sense to conclude that the Many Worlds theory--the one that states that all possibilities that can happen, do happen, in different realities--is in play in the Chronoverse.

It did not say anything like that for the Time Crash, though. I'm still not sure if we're sure exactly what happened during the Time Crash.