Magil and Kid

[maggiekarp]

Well, they're also on her arms, and some of the original concepts lead me to believe that they could be tats.

(Also the leg tattoos in the concept art remind me of the ones on Guile's hands. "OY WHY'S THIS GUY GOT THE SAME TATS AS ME" "I don't know I was so drunk and also I'm an amnesiac D:")

[Licawolf]

The leg ones in that concept art looked pretty neat, and I admit I never noticed Guile has tattoos before. Maybe they were some kind of Magil-Kid reference that lose significance during the development process after Magil got kicked out the game?... Um, kid seems to have the same design printed in her gloves too. The face ones looked more like bandages back then too.

[utunnels]

the ones on Guile's hands.

To me it looks like a sun symbol which appears in Karsh's cloth, Marcy's shield and many other places in game.
El Nido - Summer - Sun
 

[Licawolf]

Yep, It looks like the one in Karsh's clothes..um, not sure about Marcy's shield's one though... um, not that it should have any real significance, but I dunno, I'd be curious to know what the character designer had in mind with that symbol. I guess it's my graphic designer side talking here, he 

[utunnels]

Yep, It looks like the one in Karsh's clothes..um, not sure about Marcy's shield's one though...

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Marcy.html
And also her belt.

http://www.chronocompendium.com/images/wiki/2/26/Darioart.png
And check the symbol on Dario's armor.

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/File:Leenaart.png.html
And then Leena.

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/File:Mikiart.png.html
Miki

Blahblah...

You may also notice the sawtooth(?) pattern on Zoah's lioncloth too, if that counts.

[Licawolf]

I just read this theory about Kid's markings in an old old interesting thread about epigenetics, it's different enough from all the tattoo/paint/makeup ideas to share it here.

By the way, the theory someone gave about she beign clone because she used Schala's DNA at the time but a daughter because not actually her usual DNA but had a little of Lavos, that was quickly revoked (is this the word) by Kid not having spikes... If you notice on the opening movie (before the "press start" screen), when she is facing the sea, we can notice two lighter marks near the elbow of each arm, just like the ones on the face. The ones of the face could be makeup for not beign as easilly recognizable when wearing other clothes and without it, but since I doubt she would need makeup there for wathever reason and they are too equal and symetric to be usual scars, they could be scars of where the spikes were removed.

Yep, Lavoid spikes.

[utunnels]

LOL, whatever, that is the most hilarious theory I've heard.

[maggiekarp]

Kid is a thief, of course.
Not even seventeen years old, already she's widely renowned as a top
professional. To make matters worse, she's cute, devilishly stylish, and has a
sparkling personality. And boy, can she cook... if you ask her, that is.

Does that mean she cooks good food if you ask her to, or that she just tells everyone she can cook well?

[Bard_of_Time]

Kid is a thief, of course.
Not even seventeen years old, already she's widely renowned as a top
professional. To make matters worse, she's cute, devilishly stylish, and has a
sparkling personality. And boy, can she cook... if you ask her, that is.

Does that mean she cooks good food if you ask her to, or that she just tells everyone she can cook well?

I always interpreted that as her not being a good cook, but her saying so. But it could be both. You ask her to cook, and she will, just not all that well.

[Licawolf]

I thought it was the other way, that she can cook well, if you dare to ask her to.

[utunnels]

Kid is a thief, of course.
Not even seventeen years old, already she's widely renowned as a top
professional. To make matters worse, she's cute, devilishly stylish, and has a
sparkling personality. And boy, can she cook... if you ask her, that is.

Does that mean she cooks good food if you ask her to, or that she just tells everyone she can cook well?

Literally, it means she tells others. But Licawolf's idea sounds more interesting. XD
Well, maybe she never cooks, nor does any cleaning jobs -- poor Serge.

[Kodokami]

Are the white triangle things on her cheeks and arms in Chrono Cross bandages or tattoos?

An update on the tattoo/bandage things on Kid's face and arms: they may be what is called thanaka.

[maggiekarp]

Totally forgot that I like the thanaka idea. Island sunscreen!

Reviving this thread because I have questions about why Kid was staying with Lucca if Magil knew who she was in the first place.

This is from the "Shea's Light" storyline, but seems like some of it could easilly be used for Lucca's orphanage.

While Kid is lost in thought, Magil takes me aside and explains the rest to
me, alone...

"Kid, still a child at the time, was raised by the holy sisters in their
temple.
However, one day, one of the sisters was summoned to Lynx's mansion. Kid
waited day after day, but the sister did not return.
After some time had passed, Kid secretly sneaked out of the temple,
determined to find out what had happened.
She made it almost all the way to Viper Manor, alone and unprepared. She was
still just a child, after all.
But then, she heard an explosion, back in the direction of her hometown. She
looked back and saw fires everywhere, engulfing the only home she ever knew.
Someone had set fire to her entire village, including the temple.
Forgetting the mansion for the time being, she ran back to town, but Kid was
the only survivor.
Back then, I was a regular visitor of the temple. One day, I came to where
the town had been, and came across this sight. All the village had burnt to
the ground, and there appeared to be no survivors. But, following my
intuition, I searched and searched.
And there, among all the cinders and bodies, crouched a tiny, trembling
little girl.
After I took Kid under my wing, it was an entire year before she spoke
again. Ever since then, I haven't seen her cry a single time..."

But in this scenario Magil didn't have any connection to Kid beyond visiting the magic temple every now and again. So why would he entrust Lucca with her upbringing and not be around when tragedy struck?


I ended up filling in holes with what I knew from Chrono Cross, mostly Kid's subconscious time-traveling power when she's in real danger. Since Kid would only be able to save herself, not Lucca or any of her friends in such a terrible situation, it could have made a temporal distortion around the entire orphanage that Magil would have been unable to break through.

As for why Magil wasn't completely in charge of Kid, he could have been too late in discovering her identity and at that time she and Lucca were more sisters than he was her brother. I can easilly imagine that scenario, "No way you're getting Kid, she's my baby now, go screw". And well, Magus is the guy who sucks plus he's got depression, maybe he realized he wouldn't be much help to a little girl and just poked in every now and again. I like it that way cause it's more Piccolo angst than "WAH I'M ERASING MY MEMORIES" JRPG angst.

[utunnels]

D:

But in Shea's Light, Magil is not what he is in the main storyline and there's no mention of Lucca at all.

BTW, the explosion and fire events were invented by the translators.

The original was something like:

...I recall Magil once told me. Kid was once an orphan raised by the Sisters of Church of the Four Spirits. Shea, one of the Sisters, who was said to be an orphan as well, got along well with Kid. One day, Shea was taken by Lynx's minions and never returned. At that time, Kid was still very young. Little Kid sneaked out of the church and went to find her. But she didn't manage to reach Lynx's place. When little Kid returned to the village, she found all the orphans in the church had died. When Magil, who was an regular visitor of the church, came to the orphanage, he found Kid sitting among mummified, stiffen corpses, biting her lip and staring at the direction of Lynx's manor. There was an entire year before Kid spoke again...and since then, Magil has never seen her cry...

BTW, I assume there had been several days before Kid's returned to the village, but no direct evidence of that.

[maggiekarp]

Ah, that makes sense more for the scenario to come back to life-essence-drained bodies anyway. Sounds like the translators put in the fire stuff to make people draw the orphanage connection anyway...

But the interaction of Kid and Magil while Lucca was alive and the years up to their meeting Serge are still a mystery to me :I