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What's your take on the C&D stuff?

SE's being overzealous and liticious.
12 (37.5%)
I don't like it, but SE is still acting in its own copyright interest fairly.
18 (56.3%)
The projects should have seen it coming.
1 (3.1%)
Don't care. SE can do whatever the heck they want.
1 (3.1%)

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Voting closed: May 21, 2005, 11:40:47 pm

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5/29/05 - What's your take on the C&D stuff?
« on: May 21, 2005, 11:40:47 pm »
What's your take on the C&D stuff? As you know, Chrono Trigger Resurrection, a project to recreate 10 scenes from the game in 3D, and Chrono Trigger Remake Project, an effort to remake the game entirely in the Unreal engine, have received Cease & Desist letters from Square Enix. How do you feel about them? The poll stats will be used in an upcoming feature on the Compendium covering these affairs.

1. SE's being overzealous and liticious.

This is your option if you think SE's a faceless, uninformed corporation obsessed with the Final Fantasy series and harsh on fans of other franchises.

2. I don't like it, but SE is still acting in its own copyright interest fairly.

This is your game if you know well that it is in their full right to do this sort of thing, but still don't like the fact that they're intruding on honest fan efforts when the only possible loss is to FF Chronicles sales.

3. The projects should have seen it coming.

If you think that CTRP and Chrono Trigger Resurrection were bucking for a lightning bolt by remaking the game in 3D (remember CTR would only have been 10 scenes), choose this.

4. Don't care.

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I'll be posting this around the Chrono community, and will report back here with the results.

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5/29/05 - What's your take on the C&D stuff?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2005, 05:22:30 am »
It's not that I don't like it exactly, I mean, it's kinda sad that they didn't get to finish their project, but it is within SE's rights to do what they did. Hopefully, if nothing else, it shows SE that there is still much interest in the series.

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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2005, 08:54:36 am »
I abstained from this poll. I would have choosen Option 2, except that I don't agree with the "I don't like it" clause. I don't generally like it when fanwork runs into the C&D brick wall, but I don't generally dislike it either. Squeenix is in its rights, and if that rubs us the wrong way we can go make our own, original bestselling video game. =)

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5/29/05 - What's your take on the C&D stuff?
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2005, 02:29:32 pm »
The main problem with both of these projects is that they were reproducing original game content.  Had they not done that, they might have slipped under the radar.

I doubt Square Enix has a trademark on the likenesses of these characters.  I do not remember if a likeness can be copyrighted (I do not think it can be).

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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2005, 03:32:07 pm »
Im not sure IF its even Legal for Square to Issue such an order. Its a threat anyway. But my point is i do not see how SE has any Legal standing to Sue them should it come to a suit. NONE of these Projects Were making ANY money off of Square's Intelectual property.


IF i was running the site id be scared of square's C &D order too but Id show a little backbone and stand up to them. Theres no way you can be forced to stop what you were doing when your not making any money off of the game.

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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2005, 04:13:46 pm »
I dont know much about copyright laws, but lets look at it this way:

You make game, and put it out on the market.  You copyright it.  Then someone comes along, remakes YOUR game, improves it, and puts it out for free.  Would you not sue?

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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2005, 07:30:05 pm »
Itís all absolutely ludicrous, after the first C&D I vowed never to buy another SE product again. Everybody is out to make money, but I think the old Squaresoft cared about their games, now its just mediocre, uninspired, clones that are geared to the broadest audience to maximize profit.

And donít be fooled into the illusion that a bunch of lawyers are doing this, everyone at SE is equally responsible.

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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2005, 09:04:47 pm »
I would love to see those games finished, but I would be very worried if Square did nothing. Them doing this shows they still care about the series and want to preserve it. Even if they never make another game it shows me that they still care enough about the series to keep it to themselves. I dunno, this might not make sense to anyone else but whatever.

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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2005, 10:56:29 pm »
Quote from: Zizzlebop
And donít be fooled into the illusion that a bunch of lawyers are doing this, everyone at SE is equally responsible.


Yeah, fucking alpha testers, ruining it for everyone!

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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2005, 02:01:56 am »
Quote from: Sentenal
I dont know much about copyright laws, but lets look at it this way:

You make game, and put it out on the market.  You copyright it.  Then someone comes along, remakes YOUR game, improves it, and puts it out for free.  Would you not sue?



If there arent making money off it i wouldent care. Also were taking about 10 years after the game was released. LEts face it SE hasent made any money of CT for somethign like 4-5 years when they released Chroniclies. Even if they were making money it wouldent matter anyway. The undertakers of these endeavors are making nothing; IF it was me id be applauded  on thier work.

And IF i was Really threatened by what they were doing id Buy what they did from them And Hire them to do it for me. Id hire them anyway. From a finacial standpoint i would be spending a few million on the whole enterprise whereas if my company did it could conceiveably take far longer and more expensive not to mention tie up my employees when they can be on other projects. Even if the creators of said undertakings were temporary employees it would still work. Hell a SMART thing to do would be to seek out the creators of said enteprise and finacially back them so they could form thier own development team.

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5/29/05 - What's your take on the C&D stuff?
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2005, 05:33:34 am »
option 2. I think square has a right to protect chrono trigger and they should.
That said, I do think they're overreacting and their actions hurt Chrono Trigger at least as much as the "protection" aspect of these actions.


But aside from the C&D letter and threat to sue, what can Squeenie actually do about the project ? (Buy him out boys!!)

If inspired people want to make something, they'll do it anyhow.

It's not like SquareEnix will be monitoring the airwaves.
Or do they have a system which tells them the location of every CRP member's home? Each of them being collected by an escort of magitek armor riding soldiers. "Hello I'm Vicks, and these are my buddies Wedge and Piette and you've been bad"
"You're in a pickle now sonny!"


Maybe Square wants to make sure something like a Seiken Densetsu 3 transation never happens again.
Neill Corlett is still walking on this planet though.
(no, no that's what they WANT you to believe)

Fan projects like these help to maintain and create intrest in a ten years old game. And wouldn't Square profit from that?
That would probably justify a rerelease of their own (or a real sprite based sequal anyone? not that I don't like CC).
But seeing as this is not how Square seems to be thinking it makes sense for them to take the try-and-shut-them-down course of action.

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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2005, 06:24:43 pm »
Actually, the correct answer to my question was, "Of course I would sue to protect my intellectual property."  This isn't about making games, not about expanding interest in something.  This is making sure people pay for their games.  Its the SAME reason game companies don't like ROMs.  It IS about money.  And they have every right in the world to protect their property.

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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2005, 07:40:19 pm »
While I agree that it's about money (what isn't?), I think it's also equally about the art involved. You don't just make something and then let everyone and their mother copy it. And buy them out? That would be nearly blasphemous.

"Somebody copied SE and they got hired, let's all do that now!"

Please.

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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2005, 12:23:03 am »
If they did a good Job then you definitly should.

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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2005, 02:44:50 pm »
Things dont work like, "Wow, that guy copied us really good!  Lets get him a job!"  It works more like, "That guy is copying our idea!  Let show him our Power...  Sue him for all hes worth!"