Question: Lavos Complications

[SilentMartyr]

Well, let's look at who got gated elsewhere in the Ocean Palace: the 3 Gurus, Janus, and Schala. Besides Queen Zeal and Dalton, those are all of the innates of Zeal. If Lavos wanted to be overly careful, fearing that a combined attack on him from all of them could possibly seriously hurt him, if not kill him, then gating them away would be a logical course of action. Then, he destroys Zeal, and those that relied on the Mammon Machine for their power no longer have ability to use magic without it being unlocked. Since the Gurus were the ones most knowledgeable about magic, there was no one left who could possibly discover how to re-unlock magic.

However, it's possible that the gates were just random side effects of Lavos's sudden prescence.

I don't remember Schala getting the gate treatment.

Then how do you suppose she got to the DBT? Walked? And besides, I never said she got gated at the same time as the others did, I should have clarified that, but I don't see any other way for her to get there.

Oh, thouth we were still talking in the Lavos timeline, not Keystone 1. My bad.

[Zaperking]

Wasn't the Ocean Palace disaster inevitable? The destruction of Zeal still occured once, then Crono Interfered and it happened again. Only a few differences like that Zeal woman still kept her plant the second time around, Crono dies trying to do something that looks like a Luminaire and Magus was there.

I don't believe that Schala was gated to the DBT. She used her pendants energy to transport them out of the Ocean Palace right? But it then became the Black Omen, hence then she would have been on it until Crono and co. had battled her. Then only after the Black Omen had been destroyed (I guess in 10,000BC or in every time line) then Schala would have been gated with the Mammon machine, and this way if she was close enough to the Mammon Machine then her pendant could get its energy back. This would make sence since Kid's pendant has power in it, whilst Schala said that she'd use the last of her pendants power to teleport Crono and co. out of the Ocean Palace.

[saridon]

with schala being gated to the DBT you see her get sucked into a gate when everyone else gets thrown into the different times like janus get thrown into 600AD and mechilor into 1000AD

[ZeaLitY]

Well, the problem is that Lucca explicitly says Schala and the Mammon Machine were sucked into the dimensional distortion at the Ocean Palace. The fact that she's entirely missing from the Black Omen, and gets her own sort of death sequence at the Ocean Palace should confirm this.

[Zaperking]

The only weird thing is that how would Lucca know?

I mean Schala teleported Crono and co. After that alot of things could have happened. Right after they are teleported, we hear Lavos's scream. Then when the gang wakes up in that little village, the Black Omen is fully operational. This could have happened right after they were teleported out. Then Schala would have been gated with the mammon machine, after she goes after her mother?

[doulifee]

Well, the problem is that Lucca explicitly says Schala and the Mammon Machine were sucked into the dimensional distortion at the Ocean Palace. The fact that she's entirely missing from the Black Omen, and gets her own sort of death sequence at the Ocean Palace should confirm this.

could it bze possible that the phenomenon happen in the original Timeline? the one without Chrono interfering the fall of zeal?  the palace collapse anyways and no black omen result of this

[Zaperking]

It's confusing because in the original time line, the ruby knife turned into the Masamune. In Crono's interfering time line, another Masamune was produced, with another set of Masa and Mune to go into it. WTF?

An idea would be that since Crono and co. weren;t there the first time, Queen Zeal didn't get sucked into the Mammon Machine, hoping ontop of Lavos and making the palace become one. She could of fallen unconsious or something.

Another thought would be that Schala stopped giving the Mammon Machine energy, turning her back on Queen Zeal. Gaspar and Belthasar would have protected Schala from the Queens wrath, Melchior throws in the knife, Masamune is created. The Mammon machine is destroyed, Lavos wakes up because he realises that something is going on and destroys Zeal.
From here on Schala either dies, teleports out to give the pendant onto someone else or is gated to the DBT anyway.


Just a question. Would Chrono Cross exist even if Crono and Co never started time traveling.
If not, then that would mean that El Nido would never have gotten occupied by Chronopolis, no time crash, Kid is not created since Schala doesn't have to clone herself or is dead. Serge might have never been born.
Would it be possible for a single dimension to have 2 different time lines?
Hohoho, how interesting if that was in a sequal to the Chrono Series x.x

[Zatopek]

Another thought would be that Schala stopped giving the Mammon Machine energy, turning her back on Queen Zeal. Gaspar and Belthasar would have protected Schala from the Queens wrath, Melchior throws in the knife, Masamune is created. The Mammon machine is destroyed, Lavos wakes up because he realises that something is going on and destroys Zeal.
From here on Schala either dies, teleports out to give the pendant onto someone else or is gated to the DBT anyway.

You basically got it right here.  That is what originally happened.  With Crono's meddling, he throws the knife instead of Melchior, Masamune is still created and Janus and the Gurus are still sucked into their Gates despite not being present in the Ocean Palace.  However, the changes are that Schala goes to the DTB (one of the catalysts for Chrono Cross), and Queen Zeal causes the Black Omen to rise.

[SilentMartyr]

It's confusing because in the original time line, the ruby knife turned into the Masamune. In Crono's interfering time line, another Masamune was produced, with another set of Masa and Mune to go into it. WTF?

Using the time bastard theory after the disaster that sword would have been sent to the DBT, since the original Masamune is in Frogs possesion.

Just a question. Would Chrono Cross exist even if Crono and Co never started time traveling.

Nope, Schala wouldn't have been sent to the DBT, nor would Lavos have. Without those two Cross couldn't have exsisted.