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« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2004, 07:33:19 pm »
You try explaining the lack of it in later years then.

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« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2004, 11:44:18 pm »
Quote from: Chrono'99

The Frozen Flame existed in one form or other before the humans could manipulate it though, since modern humans were "created" with the Flame. Maybe they used to worship it and carve it so it looks like a flame/Lavos totem?


One interesting theory could be that what we see in the form of Flame is man-made  while the true Frozen Flame is in the inside, just like some theory that say the Frozen Flame is the nucleo for the Mammon Machine.
the external part could be made of DreamStone to allow harness the power of Lavos/Time Devourer.
Other thing is that theFrozen Flame has a Opening/close mechanism some sort of "eyes"(cam?), and connectors.

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« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2004, 07:35:54 am »
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You try explaining the lack of it in later years then.


Let me answer this quote with another quote (look at me, I'm a friggin Congressman or something!)

Quote from: El Nido tribe lore
Be very careful when you stare into the flame...For the flame will also stare back at you...It will either transform you into a different being...Or burn you into ashes.


Easy Conclusionary Theory: People were gettin FUCT UP by the FF so it was hidden/lost throughout time...

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« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2004, 01:08:25 pm »
BTW, that was more of a paraphrase

But, shouldn't you have found some in Terra Tower than?

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« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2004, 06:41:16 pm »
Not necessarily...Why would you, exactly?

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« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2004, 06:45:32 pm »
Well, Dreamstone is pretty much the Earth's ultimate weapon. TerraTower is the pride of the Reptite dimension as Chronopolis is to the Human one.

Wouldn't it make sense to find it there?

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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2004, 01:31:03 am »
Yeah, but it would be as scarce in the Reptite Dimension as Chronopolis' Dimension...

Also, perhaps Dreamstone is only created as it's needed. Perhaps the earth made Dreamstone explicitly for Crono & Co's use to finally defeat Lavos...

Okay...now I feel like I'm heading into the land of the weird...

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« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2004, 04:37:32 am »
There's no Dreamstone in Terra Tower, but there are those giant crystalline Elements though...

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« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2005, 01:33:22 pm »
Perhaps dreamstone only exsisted in the Lavos timeline. Maybe some event before everything produced the dreamstone, like a one time thing. A real meteor crashing into a volcano for example, but it only occured in the Lavos timeline. Or maybe the Reptites saw no use for the dreamstone and it was left unhindered and like anything else from that time was buried under millions of years of happenings.

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« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2005, 02:35:40 pm »
Well, if the Dreamstone was created to protect it from Lavos, then that would explain that Terra Tower would have no Dreamstone, being from the Reptite Dimension, where Lavos did not land. However, with this theory there is still the problem of why the Dreamstone was there before Lavos landed. And since it was once used as currency, it would have to have been there even before Ayla's time, since she was the only one who had it then.

There's another possibility with the Dreamstone/currency problem that no one has mentioned--that the Dreamstone became currency after 65,000,000 BC. there's a span of time unaccounted for in which we know little about, next to what we can determine about the rise of Zeal and humans using magic (Sunstone, then Mammon Machine). It's entirely possible that there was limited dreamstone before Lavos's arrival, but that then after Lavos arrived, the planet made more Dreamstone to set up the possible destruction of Lavos. In this sense, the Dreamstone may be volcanic in origin, since the center of the planet is where the planet's power would likely be most concentrated. So the planet could infuse the molten rock there with planet energy and then erupt it out through the many volcanos of the Prehistoric Era.

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« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2005, 02:42:48 pm »
Another way to think about it is that humans were much less evolved than reptites, so maybe when humans found the Dreamstone it helped them evolve, but not in the same way as the Frozen Flame.

Someone threw in an idea that the Frozen Flame only evolved humans abilities to use magic, maybe Dreamstone evolved humans intellegence.  And since the Reptites were further ahead in the evolutionary process than humans they were not affected by it and in turn were not mesmorized by it.

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« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2005, 10:14:23 pm »
Found Ayla talking about the Dreamstone:
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Ayla: Crono, you look for red rock?  Rare, red rock sign of power.  Ayla strongest in Ioka village.  So Ayla's rock!  You want, you challenge Ayla! You win, then Ayla give to you.

Dreamstone wasn't used as currency in 65,000,000 BC.

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« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2005, 10:37:30 pm »
Dreamstone =
1) absorb Lavos energy
2) used as money, which means at some point it may have been in abundance

Did reptites even use money? We dont know their currency system at all. We do know that Iokans used petals fangs horns and feathers, but they served a practical purpose in making items, so no currency system seems to have existed then.

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« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2005, 01:19:14 am »
here are my ideas of what the FF may be

1.it has the same kind of look as the timedevourer an egg 4 another time devourer perhaps?

2.(this ones just a whacked random theory) some kind of entity

3.a lavos core (though that would need a weird theory to back it)

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« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2005, 11:18:11 am »
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Dreamstone =
1) absorb Lavos energy
2) used as money, which means at some point it may have been in abundance

Did reptites even use money? We dont know their currency system at all. We do know that Iokans used petals fangs horns and feathers, but they served a practical purpose in making items, so no currency system seems to have existed then.


We also know they accepted what the group used for currency, so it was probably based on some sort of barter system. I don't know how or why teh Dreamstone would have began to dissapear before they meet Ayla.