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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2008, 09:19:06 am »
The Masamune is imbued by the wielder's personality. So for Glenn it didn't turn evil because he had a pure heart, but when some evil guy stole it, the Masamune turned evil too.

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2008, 10:56:57 am »
I think it's a case-by-case kind of thing...

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2008, 03:47:21 pm »
i think so to.  but to turn it you have to be REALLY strong hearted...  because karsh, radius, etc. couldn't turn it...

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2008, 04:48:35 pm »
Who can tell w/those CC characters' mediocre character development? Maybe they were bastards...we know at least that Karsh had a jealous heart. Also, it took Glenn time to fully unlock the power himself. Self-doubt & guilt can also hamper the blade.

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2008, 04:50:27 pm »
well we're certainly going with what he have, and what we DO know and what we DO have, points in the direction that the blade (formed from dreamstone, mind you) becomes the embodiment of it's wielder's dreams.  thus it's different forms.

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2008, 05:12:01 pm »
The wielder's dreams? Where does it say that? I don't remember that...

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2008, 06:02:56 pm »
i'm not talking literal dreams, i'm referring to the 'embodiment of their heart', if you will.  someone with a pure heart (ie - serge, frog, cyrus) can wield the sword in it's "good" state just as others wielded it in it's "bad" state (and were unable to conquer the sword's current "bad" influence).  make sense?  no?

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2008, 11:29:13 am »
Yea, that makes sense.  The weilder's dreams most likely run parallel with their good/evil aura.

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2008, 02:32:34 pm »
I think it's less their 'dreams' and more like their inner focus, power, or will. Like how Spekkio says Magic is determined...there's a lot of interplay between Dreamstone & Magic, after all.

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2008, 02:39:02 pm »
I think we're getting confused by the definition of the word "dreams", but then again, several meanings seem to work in Chrono world.

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2008, 03:08:31 pm »
Which is why I choose not to use it as much as possible to define things that I can use other words for...

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2008, 03:20:05 pm »
placidchap, you understood it perfectly.

dreams, inner focus, power, will = "different names for the same thing".

(courtesy of ben gibbard.)

either way, we all understand the concept.  it's not exactly a hard one to grasp; it doesn't take an einstein, despite what word we use to describe it.

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2008, 08:21:26 pm »
Still, even semantics can be important in these kinds of discussions here.

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2008, 04:04:33 am »
So have we determined here that Garai has turned the Masamune evil?

I would think, considering the way Dario fights, and considering his black elemental type, that something far greater than Garai's hopes and dreams corrupted the Masamune. I mean we're talking about one of the most powerful artifacts in both major games here. I'm thinking there had to be some outside influence in the corruption of the Masamune. It is even possible that when Frog died, the sword was sealed away for many years, allowing Masa and Mune to fall asleep. They could have been restraining the evil created in the sword when it was forged within the Mammon Machine, and when they fell asleep, it manifested itself as another controlling entity for the sword. Thus the different shape, color, and capabilities it has.

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Re: The long-haired person in the fall of guardia. (Not a Magus theory)
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2008, 01:55:29 pm »
Nice cut and paste post, hahaha...   :lol:

And I wouldn't say Garai turned it.  Perhaps it was someone BEFORE Garai?  After all, there's about a 15 year window between the ending of Chrono Trigger (the anime one that takes place in 1005 AD) and Chrono Cross (taking place in 1020 AD.