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« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2004, 06:59:43 am »
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Magus knew what could happen to the group. He knew since he was young Janus that one of them was going to perish shortly. To sum this all up I would say that Magus reminds me more of Holden from The Catcher in the Rye. Both say things that make them seem mean or crazy, but their intentions are always pure. They both also have a thing for only respecting their sisters.


I agreed whole-heartedly, at least in spirit, until that part about Magus knowing as Janus that one of them was going to perish. Magus doesn't have that memory, because he's from the original timeline...So he's not getting them out of the way for that reason. I think most of the things with Janus are just too vague because Janus is a near-nobody with five or six lines (SMALL) until he grows up and changes the J to an M and the N to a G.

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« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2004, 07:39:03 pm »
Well, Magus may have forgotten those memories, or perhaps he does possess them moments after history is after history is changed and Crono and Co. meet with the child wizard? Just a thought, as time seems like an instantaneous thing in the CT realm.

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« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2004, 10:38:37 pm »
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Well, Magus may have forgotten those memories, or perhaps he does possess them moments after history is after history is changed and Crono and Co. meet with the child wizard? Just a thought, as time seems like an instantaneous thing in the CT realm.

V Translanka is right.  Time travelers are protected from any changes made to their past world line.  Any time travling event creates a new, separate timeline, and the original timeline is discarded into the Darkness Beyond Time.  The time travelers themselves are unaffected by these changes because the act of time traveling comepletely separates them from the causality of original timeline.

Magus originated from, and bears the memories of the original timeline where Crono never traveled through time.  By time traveling, Magus and the others created a new timeline where the events of 12000 BC occured differently.  In this new timeline, a new version of Janus existed who has no relation to the original version of Magus.

Magus cannot have any memories of what the new Janus experienced, but the adult Magus can sense the Black Wind as well.  If Crono was fated to die, then it would have been plainly visible to Magus.

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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2004, 11:09:25 pm »
Where is the new Janus then? The original is the Magus who's in your party. So where's the new one?

Obviously the new Janus isn't required to be alligned with the original Janus's history, since time travelers are immune to change.

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« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2004, 11:14:24 pm »
The fate of the new Janus and the new Gurus is a mystery.  Zeality and I tried to explain this through the Time Bastard theory, which essentially states that they are sent into the Darkness Beyond Time.  This result is logically consistent, but is also somewhat disturbing.

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« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2004, 07:51:21 am »
Wasn't there a quote or some such that stated that the new timeline Janus got sucked into a portal with Belthasar?

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« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2004, 11:43:49 am »
Here's the quote. It appears when you wake up in the "Last Village". It's Melchior and not Belthasar though.
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ELDER: When the disaster struck, an
   eerie, black portal materialized.
   Melchior tried to save Janus, but he
   was also dragged in.

Lucca: A «black portal?»

   A GATE!!!

Robo: A «black portal?»

   No doubt, a Gate made by Lavos!

Frog: A «black portal?»

   A GATE!!!

Ayla: A «black portal?»
   Like one we step thru?