Israeli-Palestinian conflict

[Burning Zeppelin]

What the hell do the Crusades have to do with Palastinians attacking Israelis simply because they are there?

I'm saying how everyone

wants it

[Sentenal]

And that somehow makes it okay?

[Burning Zeppelin]

I'm just saying that everyone wants it   Its not like its only the arabs

[Sentenal]

Now a review of your arguement:
The question:  Do you support the Israelis, the Palastinians, or neither?

BZ wrote:

The Palestinians are people, like you and me. They fight for land, just like most people do when someone takes their home

Notice the "when someone takes their home" part.  The addition of that implies that the Palestinians have had their homes taken from them.  If you just take that, then that makes the Israelis bad guys who stole the land from the Palestinians, and they are being noble and trying to reclaim what is theirs.  

Now, when I point how that they only had their homes taken because they launched an attack on Israel first.  Wow, now they don't seem so noble, and the Israelis don't look so bad for taking it.  BZ now has to make the Palestinians not look bad for this unwarranted aggression:

Yes, and they battle on. Israel has always been a sought after land...Jeruselam more specifically. Remember the Crusades, Sentenal

So now that he has said people have always fought over Israel, its not as bad.

What then, BZ, is your point?  You have effectively argued in a circle.  First, Palestinians are fighting to reclaim their homes.  But wait, they are only doing that because beforehand, they had fought to take other's homes.  But they only did that because thats what everyone does.

The way I see it, the arabs had brought this situation on themselves by not leaving Israel alone.  Now they have to pay for their mistakes.

[Radical_Dreamer]

Remember, Israel is far smaller than it was in the sixties. The whole Asian segment of Egypt was part of Israel, after Egypt attacked, and was defeated.

It seems to me that Israel is the only nation in the world that is not allowed to keep the land it conquers.

[Burning Zeppelin]

The Arabs have had the land for 1200 years. The Israelis were nomadic, and at the time I believe they weren't there. Where were they? If they were there, what became of them? The Islamic Empire had expanded from Arabia to parts of Africa, the Meditaranean (sp??) and India. Its not like they went around Israel. It was just a normal part of their conquest. So yeah, they had it for 1200 years...then Zionism comes around! Now they want it back after millenium+ of not being there! If I am mistaken, correct me please.
But the British took their (Palestine) land and gave it to the Jews. Now the Palestinians are the victims (and many became refugees) and Israel is the new owner of the land. Palestine wants to take it back. To answer the dilema, where were the Jews all those many years ago?
Hope I made sense, because I think I didn't  
EDIT: Seems it was under the rule of the Byzantine for a loooong time

[Legend of the Past]

Okay, BZ. So let's just say this. Let's just say some evil guy called... Hdolf Aitler... from.... an unnamed country... led the slaughter of the Jews, and left them a wounded, dying people. And they wanted to return to their anscetral home, because, well, they're hated everywhere else. Who would you be more symphatic to, the hurt and dying Jews, who are hated everywhere or the Arabs, who have friends and members of the same religion IN EVERY COUNTRY AROUND ISRAEL?

The place is smaller than New Jersey, GIVE US A BREAK. We want a tiny strip of land so we won't conquer the world by taking control of the economy (>_>) and you STILL complain!

[Lord J Esq]

This might sound ironic coming from me, but years ago (in the college newspaper biz) I recognized the Israeli-Palestinian debate as perhaps the single most pointless political feud in modern times--not because it isn't important, but because nobody ever changes their mind once they've developed an opinion, and nobody ever wants to look for a reasonable solution. This sort of absolutism is absurd; it led to me (of all people) being the only one to say "let's give the new Hamas government a chance" the last time this came up. It's just pointless. "Discussion" on the subject amounts to arguing for arguing's sake, which--perhaps again sounding ironic coming from me--is an asinine endeavor.

I'm with Israel because its government can govern and its people have their shit together. Of the Palestinians, neither is true. Israel is a spectacular flower of a country amidst a realm of dirt, driven by necessity and ideology toward innovation and prosperity. And can I help it if I admire Israel a little bit; it's the only country in the region to treat its female half of the population as human beings--including conscripting them into the military! Now that is freedom on the march.

[Burning Zeppelin]

Yeah I guess you are right. I don't exactly want a Palestinian state. Why not a shared state? And yeah, I know its not like the Arabs would be wanting too anytime soon -.-
And this Hdolf Aitler guy sounds like a bitch  

[Mystik3eb]

Isrealis, for J's reasons, plus the fact that they were there, were driven and held captive away from it, then wanted it back when they could go back. According to history books + the bible, as reliable as they are.

Share it? That's like giving two sex depraved men the hottest girl in the world to fuck, telling them to share. Not happening.

...k, not the greatest example, but...yeah.

[Burning Zeppelin]

Hey, the guys might share! Hasn't anyone watched Harold and Kumar: White Castle (or w/e its called)?

[Mystik3eb]

How many 2 male on 1 female gangbangs have you seen/heard of outside of paid porn/movies? Me? None, outside of rape.

[Chrono'99]

I voted "Neither" but actually supports "Both" if that makes any sense. There are crazy extremists everywhere and I don't know what should be done about them. But apart from them, on both sides, there are people who don't give a crap about borders, religion dominances, countries, etc. and just want to live a decent life with normal access to water and health care.

[Burning Zeppelin]

Hence, the shared country.
That, or the wildlife reserve  
And, uh, people don't tell me about their sexual adventures...so...

[Legend of the Past]

We can't share a country with the Arabs. Not because of differences, but because they breed so quickly, in ten years WE'LL be the minority. No option.

I say give them Antartica. Use technology to make it worthy of normal life, and put them there. They'll have plenty of room.