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« Reply #150 on: October 04, 2005, 08:13:36 pm »

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« Reply #151 on: October 04, 2005, 10:08:44 pm »
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And can you HONESTLY say that it was harder to kill the Emperor than to kill President Shinra?


Did you forget the spells Gestahl was huckin' at Kefka? If Kefka hadn't a been smart enough to wait until he was in the field of the Goddess statues, anybody coulda been toast, including Shinra...and honestly, by that time in FFVII I was drifting through it and being put to sleep by the characters...I don't remember being all that impressed by Shinra (I know I wasn't by the Turks).

I doubt 50 soldiers would have been much trouble to Kefka w/the amount of raw magical power he had at his disposal (not to mention Magitek Armor, which eventually becomes so far beneath him). If Leo couldn't touch him, I doubt any regular Shinra grunts could.

The Empire had magic lasers and Kefka had no problem w/anybody in Magitek Armor. Magic lasers>guns in my books.

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Besides, if Kefka was such a badass, he would have just blown up the rest of the world after he stole the Goddess Statues' powers.


Uh, but that would have gone against his entire goal. He wasn't just one of those whackjob villains (ok, that can be argued) that wanted to blow up the world and kill everyone on the planet. He wasn't after such petty goals. He wanted more. He was out to destroy HOPE, man! Taking into account a villain's goals, I think Kefka gets the crown (after the DoT, but it didn't mean to destroy all existence, so it doesn't count...>_>).

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Not only that, they apparently weren't true goddesses, as you can hurt and defeat them.


Since when are all gods & godesses immortal? I don't understand people that think that. :?

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« Reply #152 on: October 04, 2005, 10:14:06 pm »
God's and Goddesses arn't immortal.  Just look at Norse Mythology...

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« Reply #153 on: October 05, 2005, 12:21:00 am »
Could Shinra beat up the Kefka you fight at the end of the game?  Probably not with ground troops.  The Sister Ray might be able to do it, though.  However, the spells that Gestahl was using would have been easily shrugged off by Shinra's heavy hardware, considering that even summoning Bahamut won't get rid of the Turks in one round.  Ultima does considerably more damage in VI than any summon you can call forth.  Merton is slightly weaker than Ultima.  Gestahl reasonably expected to fry Kefka with it halfway through, while in VII, using Ultima on the Turks when you fight them around the halfway point won't get rid of them.  Therefore, it stands to reason that the Turks would utterly wipe out Kefka in his human form.  Hell, even Palmer had a gun that shot second-level spells.  Two or three of those can generally equal a third-level spell in power.

Destroying the planet would have been a pretty good way to beat hope.  Actually, it would have been the only way.  If he could do it, he would have just gone ahead with it.  He's certainly crazy enough.  The fact that he didn't and that he shows no indication that he can is evidence for a belief that he isn't that strong.

When I think of a "god" I think of a being who absolutely cannot be defeated.  If there exists a way to defeat someone, then no matter how advanced or powerful they are, they're just that; a powerful being.  The very definition of the word "god" implies that the being exists wholly outside the laws of nature and can circumvent them at any time, something that Kefka didn't seem to be able to do even after he stole their powers.

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« Reply #154 on: October 05, 2005, 12:30:48 am »
Bahamut could not destroy Kuja, and neither could Garland, but we're not talking about him. How come?

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« Reply #155 on: October 05, 2005, 12:43:37 am »
Because you touch yourself at night.

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« Reply #156 on: October 05, 2005, 01:01:12 am »
Because hes nothing special.

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« Reply #157 on: October 05, 2005, 01:05:05 am »
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Because you touch yourself at night.

Therefore, i am a man.

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Because hes nothing special.

Nothing special! He was planning on destroying all of life! And joining two planets or whatnot! HE WAS A VESSEL FOR SOULS! He was teh man!

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« Reply #158 on: October 05, 2005, 01:42:39 am »
Wow, he was trying to destroy all life?  Thats so original!

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« Reply #159 on: October 05, 2005, 02:05:32 am »
Yea, but he was doing it in a way that was very cool and saddening to see, because Kuja was a demented psycopath that is a clone fo sorts

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« Reply #160 on: October 05, 2005, 02:09:16 am »
ONE WINGED ANGEL RULES

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« Reply #161 on: October 05, 2005, 04:25:45 am »
ONLY THE ORCHESTRATED VERSION

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Could Shinra beat up the Kefka you fight at the end of the game? Probably not with ground troops. The Sister Ray might be able to do it, though. However, the spells that Gestahl was using would have been easily shrugged off by Shinra's heavy hardware, considering that even summoning Bahamut won't get rid of the Turks in one round. Ultima does considerably more damage in VI than any summon you can call forth. Merton is slightly weaker than Ultima. Gestahl reasonably expected to fry Kefka with it halfway through, while in VII, using Ultima on the Turks when you fight them around the halfway point won't get rid of them. Therefore, it stands to reason that the Turks would utterly wipe out Kefka in his human form. Hell, even Palmer had a gun that shot second-level spells. Two or three of those can generally equal a third-level spell in power.


Alright I dunno how well the spell comparisons are since Magic is so downplayed in VII, but let's split the difference then...how about compared to the damage that Leo was dealing out w/Shock & the almighty Gengi Glove+Offering (not to mention w/e sword he had...what was it anyway? i don't remember) combo? That was round after round and in the end Leo was just, like, hitting his shadow. Kefka pwnt Leo.

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Destroying the planet would have been a pretty good way to beat hope.


That just destroys life not the hope that they had really. He wanted it so that the living could not hope. His aspirations were lofty and at the same time completely nutso. I mean, he pwnt town after town and he just couldn't understand how people kept rebuilding. He wanted to stop that.

god n. 1. One of the various beings, usu. male, in mythology, primitive religions, etc., conceived of as immortal, as embodying a particular quality or having special powers over some phase of life. 2. A statue, image, or symbol of such a being. 3. Any person or thing much loved.

So, you see? While a god can be an immortal thing, it doesn't have to be. Some myth, religions, what-have-you have immortal gods, some do not. I mean, like Sentenal said, in Norse mythos the gods die. And heck, just look at some of the names in the Final Fantasy series. Ragnarok anyone?

Also, Kuja was just a sad first born who was upset that the new baby got so much attention. :P Total whiner.

"I'm not happy! So I'm going to take it out on the world by destroying everything! Boohoo!"

:lol: Heh heh, jk I dunno how accurate that is...It's been a while since I played FFIX and the end parts are fuzzy...

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« Reply #162 on: October 05, 2005, 04:45:39 am »
Its been a while for me too, i just remember it like that, coz i remember final fantasy 9 as being the most beautiful of them all.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/review/R37603.html-This guy sucks

Final Fantasy 9 reminds me heaps of Final Fantasy 6:
Kuja=Kefka-Both psychopathic wierdos who go against the emperor(ress)(i didnt know that because i hadnt finished  6 yet. Thanx for spoiling it guys)
The queen=Gestahl-Both have a sorcerer aide who betrays them
zidane=terra-they both have a hidden past, but thats ff for ya

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« Reply #163 on: October 05, 2005, 05:08:49 am »
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ONLY THE ORCHESTRATED VERSION


True dat.  The vocals are good on the PSX version.  Everything else is horrendous once you've heard the orchestrated version.

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Alright I dunno how well the spell comparisons are since Magic is so downplayed in VII, but let's split the difference then...how about compared to the damage that Leo was dealing out w/Shock & the almighty Gengi Glove+Offering (not to mention w/e sword he had...what was it anyway? i don't remember) combo? That was round after round and in the end Leo was just, like, hitting his shadow. Kefka pwnt Leo.


Yeah, he did do a goodly bit of damage, but he never hit as hard as the Bum Rush or Ultima.

And yeah, Magic is pretty downplayed in VII, except if you've got an obscenely high Magic stat.

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"I'm not happy! So I'm going to take it out on the world by destroying everything! Boohoo!"

:lol: Heh heh, jk I dunno how accurate that is...It's been a while since I played FFIX and the end parts are fuzzy...


Add in something about an overgrown Yoda destroying the universe while spewing backwards grammar and you've pretty much got it.

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« Reply #164 on: October 05, 2005, 10:28:53 am »
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Also, Kuja was just a sad first born who was upset that the new baby got so much attention. :P Total whiner.

"I'm not happy! So I'm going to take it out on the world by destroying everything! Boohoo!"

:lol: Heh heh, jk I dunno how accurate that is...It's been a while since I played FFIX and the end parts are fuzzy...


As I recall, it wasn't until he learned that he was going to die -- and pretty soon at that -- that Kuja decided to take out both Terra and Gaia.  I seem to remember a quote along the lines of  "Why should the world go on if I'm going to die"  or something like that.  I really need to play closer attention when i get around to FF IX on my 'One Gamers Journey' experiment.