Time Devourer

[Zenning]

My question, and very general and ambiguous, is:

Just WHAT is the Time Devourer?

I keep hearing relations to Lavos, but is not the Time Devourer simply the combination of the 6 Dragon Gods, which were patron deities of the Dinopolis civilization?

[Dario]

There's 2 TDs.  One being the original form of the 6 dragon gods that you fight on Terra Tower and the other being the Lavos/Schala creature fought at the end

[Kazuki]

The TRUE Time Devourer is the one in the Darkness Beyond Time, which is the Lavos/Schala fusion. I don't believe the 6 dragon god combination TD has the power to, well, devour time and space, like the Lavos/Schala one, so...

[Zenning]

So, there are TWO Time Devourers, or is the second simply an evolved version of the first?

And, what was the Time Devourer's purpose and intent?

How and why did Schala end up infused with the Time Devourer?

Is that simply what happened to her after she warped Crono & Co out of the Ocean Palace after its collapse?
We see her turn to shiny speck and fall to the floor in the very scene in 'Trigger...

[GrayLensman]

Belthasar:
   That thing...
   the '"Dragon God"'...
   is only a quasi-existence...
   ...A temporary form that
   the real Dragon God uses
   in order to appear within
   this dimension.

Belthasar:
   The actual Dragon God
   was consumed long ago,
   in the distant past...
   Integrated by the entity
   known as Lavos in a time
   on the other side of the
   dimensional darkness.

The Time Devourer on Terra Tower is only a projection of the true Time Devourer in the Darkness Beyond Time.

Belthasar:
   Then, the Devourer of Time
   will begin to consume all
   space-time continua...
   Despair and hatred...
   To return all things to
   nothingness...
   That is what IT desires.

The Time Devourer wants to destroy the universe because of sadness and hatred.

[Lucca]
   So you finally made it,
   Serge...

   When did this sorry tale
   all begin...?
   Was it 10 years ago, when
   you almost drowned here?
   Or was it 14 years ago, when
   you were wounded by that
   panther demon that attacked
   you...
   ...resulting in you being
   carried to Chronopolis where
   you came into contact with
   FATE and the Frozen Flame...?
   Or perhaps it was even 2,400
   years in the future, when the
   Time Crash hurled Chronopolis
   back to prehistoric times?
   Or even it could have been
   12,000 B.C., when an ancient
   magical kingdom met its end
   after trying to use Lavos...?

   Each is close to being
   correct...
   And yet, at the same time,
   so far from the right answer!
   The true beginning was during
   the destruction of the ancient
   Kingdom of Zeal!
   As the palace collapsed around
   her, Princess Schala was sucked
   into a dimensional vortex along
   with the Lavos Mammon Machine.
   Schala and Lavos became unified
   into one even more powerful
   entity that would evolve into
   the Devourer of Time.
   Filled with the hatred and
   sadness of Lavos, half of
   Schala's mind became set on
   destroying all of existence.
   Yet at the same time, the
   other half of her mind
   desired to save the universe
   and to be rescued herself.

After Lavos was defeated by Crono, Lavos was sent to the Darkness Beyond Time.  There it encountered Schala, who fell through a dimensional distortion during the Ocean Palace disaster.  Lavos absorbed Schala, the Mammon Machine, and the Dragon God to further its evolution.

[Dark Saint]

Originally posted by Kazuki


The TRUE Time Devourer is the one in the Darkness Beyond Time, which is the Lavos/Schala fusion. I don't believe the 6 dragon god combination TD has the power to, well, devour time and space, like the Lavos/Schala one, so...

True. The real Time Devourer is the one in the tesseract. The other one, as I recall it once being mentioned elsewhere, resulted from a mistranslation; it was supposed to be called, plain and simple, the Dragon God.

Apparently the temporary form that the TD took outside the tesseract was of the likeness of the old, now consumed Dragon God.

[Zaperking]

Didn't Woodsy just stuff up the translation. Wasn't it indeed called the "Lunar Dragon" - Comprised of the 7 Dragons. In other words, Blue,Red,Green,Yellow,Sky,Black and Harle, the Dragon of the Dark Moon.

[Dark Saint]

Meh, Dragon God, Lunar Dragon... the point is that it wasn't supposed to be called Time Devourer also.

[Chrono'99]

Originally posted by Kazuki


The TRUE Time Devourer is the one in the Darkness Beyond Time, which is the Lavos/Schala fusion. I don't believe the 6 dragon god combination TD has the power to, well, devour time and space, like the Lavos/Schala one, so...

True. The real Time Devourer is the one in the tesseract. The other one, as I recall it once being mentioned elsewhere, resulted from a mistranslation; it was supposed to be called, plain and simple, the Dragon God.

Apparently the temporary form that the TD took outside the tesseract was of the likeness of the old, now consumed Dragon God.

I'm pretty sure the boss on Terra Tower is called TimeDevourer in the Japanese version, whether it makes sense or not.

[V_Translanka]

II. The Villains (Japan - English)
==================================
Yamaneko - Lynx
Sugar Lou and Salton - Peppor and Solt (nice spelling)
Ginger X - Criosphinx
Fate - FATE
Garai - Garai
Vinegar - Ozzie
Soy Sauce - Slash
Mayonaisse - Flea
Time Destroyer - Time Devourer
Lunar Dragon - Time Devourer (WHAT?!)
Doll Clay - Terrator
Doll Magma - Pyrotor
Doll Wind - Anemotor
Doll Gravity - Gravitor
Doll Shining - Luxator
Doll Aqua - Aquator

Yeah, the Time Devourer is actually the Lunar Dragon (aka Dragon God).

[AuraTwilight]

Doesn't change the fact that we know the Dragon God was eated up

[Zenning]

Didn't Woodsy just stuff up the translation. Wasn't it indeed called the "Lunar Dragon" - Comprised of the 7 Dragons. In other words, Blue,Red,Green,Yellow,Sky,Black and Harle, the Dragon of the Dark Moon.

YES, it was the DARK MOON DRAGON.

The Red Moon in the sky represented the Dark Moon Dragon, and the White Moon in the sky represented the Sky Dragon. I remember specifically this being stated.

This is what was actually stated in the U.S. release of the game.

...

So, how and when did Lavos devour the original Dragon God?

We know that Schala was sent to the Darkness Beyond Time after the Ocean Palace incident, and that Lavos was also sent their after being defeated, and the two unified. But, how did the Dragon God also become unified with Lavos?

...

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Frozen Flame is FATE's power source, and the Frozen Flame is a product of Lavos, is not FATE also bound by Lavos?

Were all our villains in Chrono series simply bound in one way, shape, or form just bound by Lavos?!

[ZeaLitY]

The Frozen Flame is sort of neutral, in a way. It's more about the balance between an Arbiter and Lavos.

Asking how the Dragon God was devoured is a legitimate point. If it were defeated by conventional means, it simply would have stopped functioning. However, FATE divided it up and sealed it in islands. This still doesn't give us a reason for Lavos to be able to extend beyond the DBT and consume it. My proposal is that Chronopolis, being a temporal institute, used temporal disruption weaponry to defeat the Dragon God, and this sort of exposed it on an axis of Time Error just as the Time Crash exposed Chronopolis.

Or, Chronopolis used the Frozen Flame on it, and this accomplished the same.

Still, time-based weaponry sounds too cool!

[Zaperking]

Well if FATE used the FF to seal the Dragons, there could be a point that because they were killed in the seal, they were sent to the DBT, or the FF just did it itself, leaving their souls behind.

[V_Translanka]

Didn't Woodsy just stuff up the translation. Wasn't it indeed called the "Lunar Dragon" - Comprised of the 7 Dragons. In other words, Blue,Red,Green,Yellow,Sky,Black and Harle, the Dragon of the Dark Moon.

YES, it was the DARK MOON DRAGON.

The Red Moon in the sky represented the Dark Moon Dragon, and the White Moon in the sky represented the Sky Dragon. I remember specifically this being stated.

This is what was actually stated in the U.S. release of the game.

The Dark Moon Dragon would just be reference to Harle, not the Lunar Dragon...But I don't know if that was your point or not, so...w/e...

Still, time-based weaponry sounds too cool!

Do I smell something called a "Chrono Brake"? I still think it would make an awesome sword name Japanese version (brake) or that old NA version (break).