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This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« on: March 08, 2018, 04:45:51 pm »
Ok so when you are on the Blackbird (I think that's what it's called, all of a sudden I can't remember. LOL) and Dalton takes away all your weapons and possession, why can't you use magic? There's really no reason to not being able to use magic before you get your possessions back, Dalton can't take magic from you!!

I just always found this odd and was curious what other thought.

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2018, 05:58:35 pm »
I always rationalized it by saying the party members focus their power through their weapons. So it's like taking away a wizard's magic wand. Ayla has no need of such things. And Robo... I guess Dalton's men took away his internal lasers and stuff too.

Of course, it's actually just a way to justify a stealth sequence.  :P

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2018, 06:24:31 pm »
They were too squishy in a fight without armor.

It would be technically doable - Remove all physical techs known, and disable the attack command temporarily... and make new combat sprites that don't have weapons.

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2018, 06:52:35 pm »
Wait, you can't use magic on the Blackbird while you roam about trying to find your weapons?

I have seemingly forgotten this fact.

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2018, 07:05:36 pm »
Anyone weaponless can't participate in battle.

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2018, 08:28:18 pm »
Yes it suuuucks!!

Honestly, I figured that it was too difficult for them to do at the time, so everything was taken away. But if you remember Spekkio, he says something to the effect of, magic is from the heart, so I never thought their weapons had anything to do with it. They do with techs, but not magic, the way I see it. I know I'm being picky, but it always annoyed the hell out me. Ha ha!

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2018, 08:51:36 pm »
It's definitely doable from a technical standpoint. There's already code to hide your inventory and current equipment. Sprites would be the hardest part.

- Have a list of magical techs. Backup the currently known techs.
- Erase the non-magical techs from the known list. (AND the magic list with the known list)
- Use code similar to Lock/Lock All to disable normal attacks.
- When a character gets their equipment back, restore the physical techs (OR the backup with the current list).
- If a character learns a new tech while weaponless, store it to the backup if it's physical.
- Change a PC's battle sprite if it's weaponless.

It would be something doable as a hack, but it would take some effort.

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2018, 01:44:44 pm »
Well now it makes me wonder why they didn't do it that way since it was doable at the time. I suppose we'll never know! Perhaps they didn't think it completely through is all I can think of. Thanks for the info Mauron!

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2018, 02:48:13 pm »
I think Razig was accurate on the real reasoning.

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2018, 07:23:21 pm »
What was the reasoning, or do you have a link to where I could find it? I'm curious!

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2018, 10:08:13 pm »
See the second post in this topic. :P

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2018, 10:35:07 pm »
Ha ha silly me! Thanks Mauron!

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2018, 08:09:44 am »
Speaking of this part of the game, I only just realized on my latest playthrough that Frog can still equip the Masamune when your weapons are taken, but it's not equipped by default. Was this changed in the DS version or was it always a thing?

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2018, 05:32:30 pm »
I'm not sure, to be honest. I never tried that but I'm going to have to try it now! Oh no, another playthrough! Ha ha ha!!

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Re: This Always Struck Me as Odd...
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2018, 05:57:22 pm »
Hmm... Fast and strong.
Ss... i havenīt Crono :/ ...

... Well... New game + this is...