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Jinx

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« on: August 13, 2005, 01:27:31 pm »
Well, I've thought about this plenty of times; thought I'd share.

You know how if you do certain things all throughout the game, it always has an effect on the outcome/ending?
Well, if you think about it, that's a real strong connection to life.

However, in the game it's almost like the character knows the entire time what path/choice to take, like you always know the right decisions to make without actually knowing them.
So, unless you actually know the other ways to make other endings happen, you'll probably end up with the same ending everytime.

But if you think about it, that would mean that the battle with Fate in Chrono Cross would be next to pointless, because if you're trying to beat Fate, when you can't control it anyway, then what's the use?
It's kind of like saying, all time is pre-decided, but at the same time it's not.

Like, Fate that you can control. That's the only explination really, but at the same time it links back to reality and real life, beacuse that's how it is here.
You do something, there's always a reaction or something that comes from it, and your Fate always changes every split second for the decisions you make the second before that. Thus, the Action-Reaction Theory.

And did you ever wonder, when you kill Fate, wouldn't that mean that there's nothing left?
Beacuse if you kill Fate, and Fate's real, then there'd be no future for anyone, so really, in Chrono Cross, after you kill Fate, then shouldn't everyone be dead?

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2005, 03:05:46 pm »
Um, I don't know if you realized, but it wasn't Fate as in destiny, but FATE as in, a superintelligent supercomputer from the future. >_> So your entire theory is moot.

Jinx

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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2005, 03:50:18 pm »
Oh...haha I knew that.  :oops:

Whelp there goes my idea.

The rest of it still kinda fits though...*doh*

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2005, 03:59:07 pm »
Yeah, she's called FATE because she supposodly controls everything in the world, just like fate. Defeat FATE, and people control their own destinies... But, just like a very wise girl once said:

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   You're wrong...
   Things won't ever go back
   to the way they were!
   Destiny...
   '"Fate"'...
   is dead!
   

   From now on, us humans
   have to choose our own
   way in life...
   We also have to take
   responsibility for the
   choices we do make.
   And somethin's gotta
   be done about the way
   we go on hurtin' and
   killin' one another!
   We've gotta settle our
   differences once and
   for all!

   Listen...
   What's really important
   is what we do now...
   The issue ain't whether we
   defeat that bastard or not!
   I'm afraid that, dependin'
   on how we go about it, we
   could lose out on gainin'
   somethin' real precious...
   So the issue is the way we
   fight!

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2005, 07:23:30 pm »
Apparently Kid inherited her wisdom from Schala. Shoulda' known. *Everyone looks as Janus. >_>*

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2005, 07:48:22 pm »
Well, if you look at things from the point of Chrono Trigger and "knowing what to do", Crono pretty much did everything the same way anyway.  For example, defeating Azala and the Black Tyranno.  Obviously Ayla was able to defeat them in the Lavos timeline, so Crono was essentially just making it easier for her.  He didn't change history by defeating it.  Really, apart from smaller things like the forest revival and turning the guy generous instead of greedy, Crono kept most of the past the same, and really just changed the future.

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2005, 07:55:12 pm »
and all the stuff he changed was for the better anyway, so who cares?

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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2005, 08:19:28 pm »
Umm, Crono kinda saved Magus's life, and by kinda I mean he did.

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2005, 08:40:29 pm »
I think saving Magus' life is a good thing.

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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2005, 10:34:18 pm »
Quote from: AuraTwilight
I think saving Magus' life is a good thing.


Likewise...I consider Magus a good guy. Even though he's slightly evil.

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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2005, 11:17:21 pm »
Well, sure, Magus is a fine soul, he's not even really evil, just vengeful.

Also, that's not what SilentMartyr was talking about I don't think...I think he was referring to what DeweyisOverrated said about Crono pretty much not changing a lot, like where he says Crono & Co. would have defeated the Black Tyranno where Ayla would have done this anyways in the original timeline...But, the point SilentMartyr makes is that Crono & Co. in fighting Magus in his castle essentially make a big change because Magus is sent to Zeal and all that madness occurs...

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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2005, 02:09:46 am »
How would Zeal have fallen if Crono never fought Magus and sent him to that period?  I wonder this ALL the time now.

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2005, 02:18:15 am »
The same way it did in the original timeline; Lavos got pissy and blew it up.  Likewise, Ayla didn't have to do anything in the original timeline; Lavos' grand entrance did all the work for her.

Kid's not really wise just so much as she knows what she's talking about.  She lives life practically and doesn't get caught up in the ideological bullshit.

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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2005, 02:37:15 am »
I thought the MM had to be destroyed to create all that havoc in Zeal, though.

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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2005, 02:40:40 am »
Not destroyed, just raised to its limit. The Red Knife didn't exactly destroy it, or else Zeal would have been saved. It caused it to go awry and wake Lavos up, which would have happened originally as well.