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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2005, 10:40:52 am »
Kid uses a true, full Time Egg to save Serge. That's the only way she can call Serge from beyond time and actually open a dimensionel gate in Opassa Beach without being in that dimensionel version of the Beach.

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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2005, 06:08:33 pm »
so Honestly what all of you are saying is that it could go either way, and that Serge and Co. could be looked as evil and or good all at the same time?

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2005, 08:01:04 am »
It's the same way in life, bub. Things aren't so good & evil, black & white...It's more shades of gray...wait...grey? whatever...my spelling bites the bag...

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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2005, 03:03:13 pm »
From the reptites/dragonians point of view...Serge anc Co. could be considered evil. From the human perspective, those knowledgable of what they did would consider him a savior.

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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2005, 06:04:15 pm »
I was actually thinking about this very point earlier.

Interesting that, Chrono Trigger portrays humanity as being basically good; the enemy being Lavos, something foreign to humanity and our planet for that matter, and Crono and company, representative of humanity, ridding the world of this threat, thus saving humanity.

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However, in Chrono Cross, humans are portrayed as having a darkside. This is mostly evidenced by the chain of events surrounding the Masamune.

Humans also subjected demi-humans or otherwise drove them from the demi-humans' homelands.

Also, Crono and company have some dissonance, doubt and regret regarding what they did, traveling through time, changing history, and defeating Lavos. Indeed, perhaps in what they did, some people were adversely affected.

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Why they decided to change the mood up for Chrono Cross, I don't know. I've just always seen 'Cross as a much more thematically mature plot than 'Trigger.

That's not to comment on the complexity of the plot, but 'Trigger doesn't really touch on themes like environmentalism, existential, racial, or any ethical issues at all. At least, not directly.

Sure, in the ending of 'Trigger, Marle and Lucca mention fate, but until 'Cross, we only perceive that mention lightly.

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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2005, 06:08:35 pm »
Aye.

It depends on the person point of view.

I will use the Robin Hood example:

The rich think Robin is evil for steal their money.. while the poor think he is a hero and that the rich is evil(well at least some of them. :p).

See?

Heck, there could be some bad guys that think that they are doing right... (Sometimes they are.. but they are doing it the wrong way. :P)

edit: Zen: True....*Nod her head in argeement to what he said*

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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2005, 06:17:34 pm »
Zenning, Chrono Cross having a more complex plot than Chrono Trigger is one of the sad reasons that so many people bash CC senselessly, which is a shame.

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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2005, 06:26:55 pm »
Quote from: Dragoness
Aye.

It depends on the person point of view.

I will use the Robin Hood example:

The rich think Robin is evil for steal their money.. while the poor think he is a hero and that the rich is evil(well at least some of them. :p).

See?

Heck, there could be some bad guys that think that they are doing right... (Sometimes they are.. but they are doing it the wrong way. :P)

edit: Zen: True....*Nod her head in argeement to what he said*

Yeah, but Serge is above all that. Serge saves the whole multiverse's time-space continuum from being simply and totally erased by... something, so I don't think anybody could say that he's "evil".

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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2005, 06:37:10 pm »
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Aye.

It depends on the person point of view.

I will use the Robin Hood example:

The rich think Robin is evil for steal their money.. while the poor think he is a hero and that the rich is evil(well at least some of them. :p).

See?

Heck, there could be some bad guys that think that they are doing right... (Sometimes they are.. but they are doing it the wrong way. :P)

edit: Zen: True....*Nod her head in argeement to what he said*

Yeah, but Serge is above all that. Serge saves the whole multiverse's time-space continuum from being simply and totally erased by... something, so I don't think anybody could say that he's "evil".


Aye.

No one could... unless somehow they are just ...what the word I want... hm...* think about it*

...I will get back to ya when I find the right word. >.>

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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2005, 09:04:04 am »
I think that CT could have been percieved as having a similar attitude...I mean, sure the Planet's using humans to save itself, but if you look back, I don't think it paints humans as being completely good. I mean, I think you could see an implication that the humans took over what becomes Truce & Guardia from the Mystics for example...

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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2005, 03:34:18 pm »
Yes, but the Mystics themselves are given a much meaner/evil personality than the demi-humans.