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Chrono Trigger Modification / Re: Party change menu
« Last post by Mauron on Yesterday at 08:14:18 pm »I think I've found both glitches, I should have them fixed soon.
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Chrono Trigger Modification / Re: Party change menu
« Last post by IHBP on Yesterday at 06:31:06 pm »Tried it out on my rom, it made quite a mess actually. The colors on all menus are messed up for all characters except Crono and trying to equip from a shop locks up the game.
heres my rom and save. https://www.dropbox.com/s/axkelwf2dpbgt7p/Chrono%20msu.7z?dl=0
heres my rom and save. https://www.dropbox.com/s/axkelwf2dpbgt7p/Chrono%20msu.7z?dl=0
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Dragon Gods and the Time Devourer...
« Last post by Sheiken on January 24, 2020, 07:25:26 am »That explanation does make sense, but there is still a slight problem I have...motive.
The TD was set to wipe out all of existence upon awakening, so there was no real reason for it to attempt to exist outside of the Darkness Beyond Time till that day. The entire premise of the notion makes zero sense to me.
Furthermore the motives of the Dragon God itself differs from the TD. The Dragon God seemed only concerned with wiping out humanity for destroying the planet, while the TD want to destroy EVERYTHING. This is another reason why I have a hard time accepting the fact that they are truly the same being.
I agree, they should have just left the Dragon God as the Dragon God. Then once that threat was stopped, Balthasar could then reveal his entire plan and how he orchestrated everything to give Serge the ability to free Schala with the Chrono Cross. Following that he would give Serge the Time Egg to execute the final phase of his plan.
The TD was set to wipe out all of existence upon awakening, so there was no real reason for it to attempt to exist outside of the Darkness Beyond Time till that day. The entire premise of the notion makes zero sense to me.
Furthermore the motives of the Dragon God itself differs from the TD. The Dragon God seemed only concerned with wiping out humanity for destroying the planet, while the TD want to destroy EVERYTHING. This is another reason why I have a hard time accepting the fact that they are truly the same being.
I agree, they should have just left the Dragon God as the Dragon God. Then once that threat was stopped, Balthasar could then reveal his entire plan and how he orchestrated everything to give Serge the ability to free Schala with the Chrono Cross. Following that he would give Serge the Time Egg to execute the final phase of his plan.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Dragon Gods and the Time Devourer...
« Last post by Razig on January 24, 2020, 04:55:09 am »I suspect that the Time Devourer fought atop Terra Tower should have simply been called the Dragon God, but was renamed by mistake.
As for how the lesser dragons can exist if the Dragon God was integrated into Lavos, my theory is that when the original entity was split up by FATE, its true form was somehow cast into the Darkness Beyond Time and the dragons lived on as mere vestiges. The real Dragon God was absorbed by Lavos and became part of the Time Devourer; the dragons retained sentience, but it's unclear whether they were aware of what had happened to their original form. When FATE died and the dragons were able to merge together again, the Time Devourer took control of this newly reborn body via its connection to the original. Thus why it seems to speak as Lavos when it mentions truly awakening.
That's just my personal interpretation, attempting to reconcile the seeming contradiction.
As for how the lesser dragons can exist if the Dragon God was integrated into Lavos, my theory is that when the original entity was split up by FATE, its true form was somehow cast into the Darkness Beyond Time and the dragons lived on as mere vestiges. The real Dragon God was absorbed by Lavos and became part of the Time Devourer; the dragons retained sentience, but it's unclear whether they were aware of what had happened to their original form. When FATE died and the dragons were able to merge together again, the Time Devourer took control of this newly reborn body via its connection to the original. Thus why it seems to speak as Lavos when it mentions truly awakening.
That's just my personal interpretation, attempting to reconcile the seeming contradiction.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Dragon Gods and the Time Devourer...
« Last post by Sheiken on January 23, 2020, 03:34:04 pm »It would not make sense for the Dragon God to have been sent to the Darkness Beyond Time, because that would imply that it was killed in the war. The way it sounded was that they were unable to kill it, so FATE split it up into six weaker dragons and sealed them instead.
To be honest, I am starting to lean more towards them being unrelated and named by Balthasar himself to further drive Serge to enter the Darkness Beyond Time. He did manipulate and orchestrate the entire plot of the game for the sole purpose of saving Schala after all. What is another lie if it means further pushing the party towards his goal?
The only other way, like I said, is if Lavos integrated himself to the TD during the actual fight as a back up plan to exist outside of the Darkness Beyond Time before they were split and sealed. This just seems like such a stretch to me though and lacks so much depth compared to other aspects of the plot.
You are right though, they were way to vague regarding link between the Dragon God and the real Time Devourer. I was thinking I may have missed something, but that does not seem to be the case sadly.
To be honest, I am starting to lean more towards them being unrelated and named by Balthasar himself to further drive Serge to enter the Darkness Beyond Time. He did manipulate and orchestrate the entire plot of the game for the sole purpose of saving Schala after all. What is another lie if it means further pushing the party towards his goal?
The only other way, like I said, is if Lavos integrated himself to the TD during the actual fight as a back up plan to exist outside of the Darkness Beyond Time before they were split and sealed. This just seems like such a stretch to me though and lacks so much depth compared to other aspects of the plot.
You are right though, they were way to vague regarding link between the Dragon God and the real Time Devourer. I was thinking I may have missed something, but that does not seem to be the case sadly.
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Characters, Plot, and Themes / Re: Dragon Gods and the Time Devourer...
« Last post by Beach Bum on January 23, 2020, 10:55:49 am »When encountering Belthasar in Terra Tower for the first time, he mentions this:
FATE was the one who divided the Dragon God into six separate, weaker plasma entities. Those individual entities then each assumed a dragon-like appearance so they could physically manifest in the world.
After the battle with the Dragon God concludes, Belthasar goes on to say:
Now that last part is confusing, and the only part that mentions Lavos in relation to the Dragon God. I take this to mean that in 12,000 BC, both Chronopolis and Dinopolis manifested in the world, war ensued, Chronopolis won and defeated the Dragon God. Perhaps at this time, the Dragon God was discarded to the Darkness Beyond Time, where Lavos was also currently residing. Thus explaining how Lavos could "integrate" the Dragon God.
The only thing this then leaves unclear is what exactly it was that FATE split up into lesser plasma life forms. Perhaps some remnant of the Dragon God that remained in the physical world. The game is a little vague about this.
Quote from: Belthasar
The Dragon Gods were originally
a singular plasma life-form...
...A living accumulation of the
planet's energy!
Originally it was a biological
machine used to control the
powers of nature in the future
society of the Reptites.
In order to control the natural
energy itself, FATE divided the
one Dragon God entity up into
6 weaker plasma life-forms...
Then scattered them across
the land and sealed them away.
Their dragon-like appearances
are just pseudo-guises...
...Temporary forms they take
so that they can appear in
this dimension.
FATE was the one who divided the Dragon God into six separate, weaker plasma entities. Those individual entities then each assumed a dragon-like appearance so they could physically manifest in the world.
After the battle with the Dragon God concludes, Belthasar goes on to say:
Quote from: Belthasar
That thing...
the '"Dragon God"'...
is only a quasi-existence...
...A temporary form that
the real Dragon God uses
in order to appear within
this dimension.
Quote from: Belthasar
The actual Dragon God
was consumed long ago,
in the distant past...
Integrated by the entity
known as Lavos in a time
on the other side of the
dimensional darkness.
Now that last part is confusing, and the only part that mentions Lavos in relation to the Dragon God. I take this to mean that in 12,000 BC, both Chronopolis and Dinopolis manifested in the world, war ensued, Chronopolis won and defeated the Dragon God. Perhaps at this time, the Dragon God was discarded to the Darkness Beyond Time, where Lavos was also currently residing. Thus explaining how Lavos could "integrate" the Dragon God.
The only thing this then leaves unclear is what exactly it was that FATE split up into lesser plasma life forms. Perhaps some remnant of the Dragon God that remained in the physical world. The game is a little vague about this.
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Chrono Trigger Modification / Re: Party change menu
« Last post by IHBP on January 21, 2020, 09:12:55 am »Thanks.
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Welcome / Birthday / Seeya! Forum / Re: Goodbye...
« Last post by Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 21, 2020, 01:11:32 am »Quote
Busy busy. Is the new job cool?
I think so...? Hard to tell. I started on Friday. I'm still doing IT Project Management, which is good. The benefits and pay were too good to pass up, although I'm in a much larger metro now and the prices for everything are insane.
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Welcome / Birthday / Seeya! Forum / Re: Goodbye...
« Last post by Mauron on January 20, 2020, 07:07:54 pm »Busy busy. Is the new job cool?
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Welcome / Birthday / Seeya! Forum / Re: Goodbye...
« Last post by Boo the Gentleman Caller on January 20, 2020, 06:56:23 pm »I have been awfully quiet the past few months and felt it was time I gave a proper explanation.
I have a new job and have moved to a new city. The job hunt was stressful and a lot of work, and the move even more. My wife and children haven't come just yet; they are finishing out the school year where they are now. Luckily, it's only a 2.5 hour drive, and obviously we'll be seeing each other every weekend (and some rare weekdays when I'll be able to work from home).
Sorry for the lack of participation and engagement on my part.
As always, I hope this place will feel like home to you.
I have a new job and have moved to a new city. The job hunt was stressful and a lot of work, and the move even more. My wife and children haven't come just yet; they are finishing out the school year where they are now. Luckily, it's only a 2.5 hour drive, and obviously we'll be seeing each other every weekend (and some rare weekdays when I'll be able to work from home).
Sorry for the lack of participation and engagement on my part.
As always, I hope this place will feel like home to you.