Chrono Compendium
Zenan Plains - Site Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: grey_the_angel on March 09, 2007, 05:04:42 am
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Zack was actually one of my favorite characters that you never got to play, but come on Square Enix!!!
We are SICK of FFVII spin off games!!! Make a new CHRONO GAME GOD DAMMMNIT!!!!
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Zack was actually one of my favorite characters that you never got to play, but come on Square Enix!!!
We are SICK of FFVII spin off games!!! Make a new CHRONO GAME GOD DAMMMNIT!!!!
FF VII had a good story, while they did screw up some of the later sequals, i see no reason to bitch about getting a prequal, its the last sequal/prequal they're bringing out anyway.
they'll make a new chrono game when they make a new chrono game, deal with it.
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Sephiroth = win. As long as they atone for Dirge of Crappus, I'm game.
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Sephiroth = win. As long as they atone for Dirge of Crappus, I'm game.
Sephiroth was a two-bit one-dimensional character that pined away for his mommy like a kid who never got past the age of three. (Not that there's anything wrong with maintaining a good relationship with one's mother, as I should know, but there's a difference between being close to your mother and expecting her to be the mommy she was when you were a little kid all the time.) He's disgusting, awful, and should never have been involved in any game other than Final Fantasy VII. I'm sick of seeing him and any other Final Fantasy VII character everywhere I go. Hell, they even took time out of the neatest part of Kingdom Hearts II, the war in Hollow Bastion, just to give Cloud and Sephiroth a scene vaguely like Advent Children or something. I hate him. He never should have been made! Argh!
That said, we all know why Square is continuing to press the FFVII stuff: money. They are, after all, a corporation first and foremost and what they do, they do to make money. Hopefully the possible Virtual Console/GBA/DS port of Chrono Trigger will show them that there is money in the Chrono series yet. I know I'd definitely prefer a new Chrono game to another Final Fantasy VII rip-off.
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This is the last one. After all the Compilation of FF7, Square Enix will be flush with production capital, and thank goodness, since their main platform (the PS3) is poised to sink like a rock. So good on Square for having tons of cash; now, let's see them put it to use for Chrono.
I suppose I'll post my admiration of certain qualities of Sephiroth here:
At any rate, anger can be good and productive. I prefer to get angry these days rather than melancholy, as it can be raw fuel to whatever activity I'm engaged in, and also inspires me to take corrective action (or come to terms) with whatever is bothering me rather than letting it depress me into the ground. And Sephiroth is the ultimate personification. There is power and beauty in Sephiroth. His visage never shows the sign of defeat or depression -- it shows fierce will and desire soon to be unleashed. It is the darker side of living a life of no regrets and the passion of youth. Your will should be dauntless and unending when engaged in constructive, positive pursuits -- and so too shall it be unyielding and undying in the face of tribulation. Sephiroth is the prelude to restitution, the profound portrait of anger, hatred, desire, and wild will combined into one irresistible force. There is no dilution of his mind or desire; it remains unequivocally focused until finally actualized. To be Sephiroth is to seek your dreams at maximum.
(http://cc.herograw.org/Zeality/Sephiroth__complete_by_fevereon.jpg)
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Well...alright, I suppose you do have a point there, in terms of production capital. I've just never been a fan of Final Fantasy VII...I hated it when it first came out and I've never liked it no matter how many times I've tried to replay it and enjoy it. It always struck me as poor storytelling, poor characterization of the cast, and an extremely poor musical score, though admittedly that's not Uematsu's fault since he only had six months to do the score for the game.
In any case, I suppose we simply have different opinions of Sephiroth. My apologies if I was a bit too harsh with my opinion there...I need to cut down on my ranting in the morning.
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Nah, my post wasn't out of defense, or anything. Sephiroth is still evil and cruel; I've only selected certain qualities to admire. It's not...utter fanboyism, I guess, largely the same way that we're not utter Chrono series fanboys. There's a reason to our rhyme.
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In other words, you're able to separate your perception of Sephiroth from the rest of everything and admire the qualities he shows for what they are. Fair enough, I suppose. I simply am unable to separate my distaste for Final Fantasy VII and do likewise, which is my loss.
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its the last sequal/prequal they're bringing out anyway.
Are they? I recall reading that they said the Compilation would go on until FFVII's 20th anniversary (2017!). Also, there's this mysterious guy, Genesis (Sephiroth's predecessor)... He's supposed to be a bad guy but he's still alive after DC. Since CC takes place before AC and DC, he will probably not be killed in it. So in the end, it seems he's the only menace and unresolved issue left after DC.
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Yeah. For those not in the know, Genesis is played by J-pop star Gackt, formerly of Malice Mizer, in a further attempt to sell out.
They should just make a cereal named MateriOs and be done with it.
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its the last sequal/prequal they're bringing out anyway.
Are they? I recall reading that they said the Compilation would go on until FFVII's 20th anniversary (2017!). Also, there's this mysterious guy, Genesis (Sephiroth's predecessor)... He's supposed to be a bad guy but he's still alive after DC. Since CC takes place before AC and DC, he will probably not be killed in it. So in the end, it seems he's the only menace and unresolved issue left after DC.
there was i list on the japanese site i think it was somewhere that had a list of them all, they could always end doing more though
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Sephiroth = win. As long as they atone for Dirge of Crappus, I'm game.
Sephiroth was a two-bit one-dimensional character that pined away for his mommy like a kid who never got past the age of three.
My thoughts exactly. The motive behind all his actions, no matter how grand in scope or perfect in execution, is a cry for attention. You think Cloud is angsty? Sephiroth is willing to destroy the planet just so mommy will pay more attention to him. Some super villain he turned out to be.
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Zack was actually one of my favorite characters that you never got to play, but come on Square Enix!!!
We are SICK of FFVII spin off games!!! Make a new CHRONO GAME GOD DAMMMNIT!!!!
FF VII had a good story, while they did screw up some of the later sequals, i see no reason to bitch about getting a prequal, its the last sequal/prequal they're bringing out anyway.
they'll make a new chrono game when they make a new chrono game, deal with it.
I think I speak for most of the Compendium when I say that we would much rather have a new Chrono game then another game related to FFVII.
But that's just me. I just feel it's been done to death. And that post was supposed to be over-dramatic for humor reasons. I honestly don't care that a new FFVII game is coming out, but I wish, and I know it won't happen, SE would stop milking the cash cow and start making some quality games.
Didn't know the Compendium loved FFVII so much. Sheesh.
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FFVII was a quality game, but Dirge of Cerberus and the other stuff is in question. I can't blame Square for giving the idea a try; I mean, the idea of going back and expanding on these worlds is awesome. Who wouldn't want an FF6 or an FF4 expansion pack? We've already gotten some good remakes. The idea of turning back and starting to care about fictional series and their fans is an attractive one, but Square just seems to have overblown it with FF7 and handled it wrong. All the awesome people who helped FFVII are no longer with the company, and Nomura wasn't in his just...excessive bishie zipper belt phase yet. So of course, the quality of the output now is going to be reduced. But as Chrono'99 used to be post, it could be a positive trend. A lot of old franchises have been given renewed attention (Kato can attest with World of Mana). They just need to hit Chrono, for goodness's sake.
Well, I take that back. Kato did write the Cloud-Mako-poisining section of FFVII (probably why there's a "Zenogais" (Xenogears) references in there), but he's not helping Compilation of FFVII. So yeah, most of the original framers are gone.
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FFVII's an amazing game. The story is awesome too, although I've only read a summary (I'm only up to Junon Harbor).
I'm alright with the spin-offs as long as they're needed or add something decent to the game world. AC was a bit pointless but it had amazing CG and fight scenes so I don't mind. Eheh.
Anyway, Crisis Core looks good although seriously- how many times do we need to hear this story?
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Less Final Fantasy VII: shiteating spinoff #852134 moar not failing
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Well, I take that back. Kato did write the Cloud-Mako-poisining section of FFVII (probably why there's a "Zenogais" (Xenogears) references in there), but he's not helping Compilation of FFVII. So yeah, most of the original framers are gone.
Makes me wonder if a new Chrono game would turn out the same way without most of the team.
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Less Final Fantasy VII: shiteating spinoff #852134 moar not failing
Amen to that.
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DoC is a steaming pile of crap. AC and Crisis Core are Ok though.
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Crisis Core is okay? How do you know?
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Well, I mean it's Ok in that it has a place in the storyline which hasn't been fully explored. AC was Ok as in 'decent'.
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*braces herself for obvious things soon to be flung at her*
Okay. I happen to like Dirge of Ceberus, in spite of it being such an odd game.
And I really love anything related to FFVII, since it's one of my top fave FFs of all time.
I love Zack even more, and those screenshots make me want to drool. (1 wing? oooh)
Once this sucker is done, I'm betting, they might finally get it out of their system.
(personally, I wish they'd make sequels to my other faves: FFVI, FFVIII, and FFIX)
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*braces herself for obvious things soon to be flung at her*
Okay. I happen to like Dirge of Ceberus, in spite of it being such an odd game.
*throws rotten tomatoes*
jk, I loved it too. in fact, I hated Devil May Cry.
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*braces herself for obvious things soon to be flung at her*
Okay. I happen to like Dirge of Ceberus, in spite of it being such an odd game.
And I really love anything related to FFVII, since it's one of my top fave FFs of all time.
I love Zack even more, and those screenshots make me want to drool. (1 wing? oooh)
Once this sucker is done, I'm betting, they might finally get it out of their system.
(personally, I wish they'd make sequels to my other faves: FFVI, FFVIII, and FFIX)
only thing to be flung your way is the oblivious fangirlism to say "I love anything related to FFVII". basically meaning no matter how bad, terriable and screwed up it is, you can defend it. Only a problem when 200 million others think the same way and we get mediocre games because everyone thinks their so great and wont doubt its obivous faults.
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Didn't know the Compendium loved FFVII so much. Sheesh.
Whose Compendium do you speak of? Surely you must mean the Final Fantasy Compendium, because I know that I do not fit into that catagory if you speak of the Chrono Compendium. Next you'll say we love Final Fantasy VI more than Chrono Trigger! Get out of here with your silly idears...lol.
As for AC, BC, DoC, & CC...*groan* I don't give a flying fuck (whoa, isn't that a weird saying?) about them, but I thought AC was cool and I don't even like FFVII that much anyways...It's line of story and the storyline itself is the reason we get contrived-sounding BS like Xenosaga. :lol:
But then again, as a fan of Vincent (and VINCENT ALONE!!!), I feel like games of this type shouldn't be totally forgetten upon Square-Enix...I think they should freakin team up with Capcom on some games already. Let 'em put Vincent in a Soul Calibur game. Have their characters 2D romp with each-other (this time Capcom should put in some Breath of Fire people 8)). Or hell, have a Breath of Fire/Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest all-in-one-somehow game and just wet every fan's...appetites (wait, wrong wet?).
*shrugs*
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Didn't know the Compendium loved FFVII so much. Sheesh.
Whose Compendium do you speak of? Surely you must mean the Final Fantasy Compendium, because I know that I do not fit into that catagory if you speak of the Chrono Compendium. Next you'll say we love Final Fantasy VI more than Chrono Trigger! Get out of here with your silly idears...lol.
As for AC, BC, DoC, & CC...*groan* I don't give a flying fuck (whoa, isn't that a weird saying?) about them, but I thought AC was cool and I don't even like FFVII that much anyways...It's line of story and the storyline itself is the reason we get contrived-sounding BS like Xenosaga. :lol:
But then again, as a fan of Vincent (and VINCENT ALONE!!!), I feel like games of this type shouldn't be totally forgetten upon Square-Enix...I think they should freakin team up with Capcom on some games already. Let 'em put Vincent in a Soul Calibur game. Have their characters 2D romp with each-other (this time Capcom should put in some Breath of Fire people 8)). Or hell, have a Breath of Fire/Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest all-in-one-somehow game and just wet every fan's...appetites (wait, wrong wet?).
*shrugs*
I will not allow the bashing of xenosaga. *insert angry smiley*
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Oh please, you can't argue about that...I mean, I thought the game itself was alright (I hear gameplay gets better in each consecutive game), but the storyline? Sheesh...c'mon, now...I want at least a blue whale to be able to swallow the load they're trying to feed me.
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Didn't know the Compendium loved FFVII so much. Sheesh.
Whose Compendium do you speak of? Surely you must mean the Final Fantasy Compendium, because I know that I do not fit into that catagory if you speak of the Chrono Compendium. Next you'll say we love Final Fantasy VI more than Chrono Trigger! Get out of here with your silly idears...lol.
Nah, didn't mean that. The way the thread was going, and what people were saying I just felt FFVII was put on a pedestal, one I think it doesn't deserve. Don't get me wrong it was a great game, but I think it's time to get off the FFVII bandwagon is all.
New Chrono game > New FFVII game. Period.
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Didn't know the Compendium loved FFVII so much. Sheesh.
Whose Compendium do you speak of? Surely you must mean the Final Fantasy Compendium, because I know that I do not fit into that catagory if you speak of the Chrono Compendium. Next you'll say we love Final Fantasy VI more than Chrono Trigger! Get out of here with your silly idears...lol.
Nah, didn't mean that. The way the thread was going, and what people were saying I just felt FFVII was put on a pedestal, one I think it doesn't deserve. Don't get me wrong it was a great game, but I think it's time to get off the FFVII bandwagon is all.
New Chrono game > New FFVII game. Period.
Yeah, I knew what you really meant...I've never been on this supposed FFVII bandwagon though...But that damn pillar is made of tougher stuff than galvanized steel and won't budge a damn inch in their fans' eyes. I blame it on being people's firsts...but I think most of the polls I've made don't always show that...or maybe it was more or less even either way...*shrugs* Maybe I just need to play it again...but I just know I hate the characters (minus Vincent)...oh well...some other day perhaps...
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I sort of figured that from the ...lol, but I had to be sure :). Sarcasm is always lost on the internet *sigh*
But yea I totally agree with you. The post FFVII RPGer's have no idea what a true RPG is.
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I think they should freakin team up with Capcom on some games already. Let 'em put Vincent in a Soul Calibur game.
And just what the fook does Soul Calibur have to do with Capcom? Oo
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New Chrono game > New FFVII game. Period.
No contest. Hell, no competition.
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New Chrono game > New FF game. Period.
Fixed. IMO at least :)
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New Chrono game > New any other game. Period.
Fixed. IMO at least :)
NOW it's fix'd.
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Thanks for fixing that guys. :lol:
I definitely agree with all of you!
That should be a slogan for the Compendium.
The Chrono Compendium - New Chrono game > New any other game. Period.
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I think they should freakin team up with Capcom on some games already. Let 'em put Vincent in a Soul Calibur game.
And just what the fook does Soul Calibur have to do with Capcom? Oo
Whoa, yeah, that's weird, why did I say Soul Calibur? I meant they should team him up w/Dante or something or other...But they should put characters from the Square-Enix universe in Soul Calibur too now that I think about it...Who does Soul Calibur anyways?
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I think they should freakin team up with Capcom on some games already. Let 'em put Vincent in a Soul Calibur game.
And just what the fook does Soul Calibur have to do with Capcom? Oo
Whoa, yeah, that's weird, why did I say Soul Calibur? I meant they should team him up w/Dante or something or other...But they should put characters from the Square-Enix universe in Soul Calibur too now that I think about it...Who does Soul Calibur anyways?
Namco :lee:
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Oh, right, well then what the hell...They already made an RPG together, right?
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Oh, right, well then what the hell...They already made an RPG together, right?
Yea they did. Namco X Capcom(I think that's what it was called). It seemed like a really cool game, but it never made it to the states.
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This is the last one. After all the Compilation of FF7, Square Enix will be flush with production capital, and thank goodness, since their main platform (the PS3) is poised to sink like a rock. So good on Square for having tons of cash; now, let's see them put it to use for Chrono.
I suppose I'll post my admiration of certain qualities of Sephiroth here:
At any rate, anger can be good and productive. I prefer to get angry these days rather than melancholy, as it can be raw fuel to whatever activity I'm engaged in, and also inspires me to take corrective action (or come to terms) with whatever is bothering me rather than letting it depress me into the ground. And Sephiroth is the ultimate personification. There is power and beauty in Sephiroth. His visage never shows the sign of defeat or depression -- it shows fierce will and desire soon to be unleashed. It is the darker side of living a life of no regrets and the passion of youth. Your will should be dauntless and unending when engaged in constructive, positive pursuits -- and so too shall it be unyielding and undying in the face of tribulation. Sephiroth is the prelude to restitution, the profound portrait of anger, hatred, desire, and wild will combined into one irresistible force. There is no dilution of his mind or desire; it remains unequivocally focused until finally actualized. To be Sephiroth is to seek your dreams at maximum.
(http://cc.herograw.org/Zeality/Sephiroth__complete_by_fevereon.jpg)
MOMMA'S BOY!
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MOMMA'S BOY!
That is a hilarious video! Here it is for all of you who haven't seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6EkWp79co
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That was hilarious! Kefka really is amazing- I've just started playing FFVI, and he really is a lot better than Sephiroth.
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Kefka's good before the cyanide.
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At least he had depth as a character, if not much depth. Thing is, we need to remember much of his character depth was thanks to the North American translation...in the original he was ExDeath Mark II in terms of sheer boredom and one-dimensional behavior. Ted Woolsey changed that quite a lot.
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At least he had depth as a character, if not much depth. Thing is, we need to remember much of his character depth was thanks to the North American translation...in the original he was ExDeath Mark II in terms of sheer boredom and one-dimensional behavior. Ted Woolsey changed that quite a lot.
dude he was emo. the whole damn game was emo.
At least with Kefka we knew WHY he was bad: Cause he went batshit insane being experimented on.
plus, unlike sephy here, kefka actually suceeded in raping the world over.
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I'm referring to his dialogue, method of speaking, and the like. Sure, he went insane from being experimented on, but in the original Japanese version he acted one-dimensional and otherwise quite boring. Ted Woolsey gave him the flair that we know Kefka for. Without Woolsey Kefka would not be considered the good character that he is.
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I'm referring to his dialogue, method of speaking, and the like. Sure, he went insane from being experimented on, but in the original Japanese version he acted one-dimensional and otherwise quite boring. Ted Woolsey gave him the flair that we know Kefka for. Without Woolsey Kefka would not be considered the good character that he is.
That goes for many, many more characters as well though. Most characters, when translated, lose their personality and have to be re-scripted. Besides, do we really care about the original Japanese when we can have English Kefka? <3
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"Cefca" doesn't even sound good.
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So, what are you basing your conclusion that Japanese Kefka was one-dimensional on?
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...as I said, his method of speaking in the original Japanese script. He acted--and I quote, though I'll be damned if I remember where from--like "ExDeath Mark II." I think it might be the transcript of the Ted Woolsey interview...though I'm not sure about that.
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But unless you can read Japanese, you are not referring to the manner of speech, but the speech itself. Meanings may translate over the language barrier, but some things do not.
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Meh, Kefka was more or less the same from what I remember...His lines just weren't as 'funny'. I think that was mostly due to culture class and language barriers though...Besides, can we ever forgive Ted for what he did to Relm??? She was actually kinda cool in the original.
Anyways, I'd rather have the Real Deal Holyfield over a Fabrication Interpretation any day. Call me a stickler for artists original ideas if you must...
If you determine a villain by accomplishments, Kefka wins. If you do it by his adversaries, Kefka still wins. If you do it by personality, Woosley'd or not, Kefka isn't as big a putz as Ol' Sephy Head. But mainly, I think Kefka wins because of the loftiness (and insanity) of his goals. He was even original about it...The destruction of Hope itself? Of course it'd take a madman like Kefka to think of something like that...What was Seph's deal? The destruction of the world? Get a clue, numbnuts, every other FF/RPG/James Bond villain already tried that.
Anyone else realize that Sin was inda just doing what Kefka was doing? :lol:
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Not to be a nerd, but he was aiming to become a god.
But Kefka beat him to it anyways.
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Screw Kefka. He died. Sephiroth lives.
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Screw Kefka. He died. Sephiroth lives.
Yep. No delusion; all personal and practical will.
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He came back for 7 minutes. That does not mean he lives. Also, he's just a wannabe Lavos in AC anyway.
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Screw Kefka. He died. Sephiroth lives.
no, he died, was born through a clone of him, and was killed again.
He failed TWICE OVER.
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Screw Kefka. He died. Sephiroth lives.
no, he died, was born through a clone of him, and was killed again.
He failed TWICE OVER.
That's an absolutely poor, shallow and ridiculously foolish conclusion.
Sephiroth isn't flesh. Sephiroth is will.
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That's an absolutely poor, shallow and ridiculously foolish conclusion.
Sephiroth isn't flesh. Sephiroth is will.
And Kadaj etc were the remnants of that will, given form by the lifestream. And Kadaj failed.
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That's an absolutely poor, shallow and ridiculously foolish conclusion.
Sephiroth isn't flesh. Sephiroth is will.
And Kadaj etc were the remnants of that will, given form by the lifestream. And Kadaj failed.
That's incorrect. Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz were conglomerations o JENOVA's cells, each having the potential to "express Sephiroth" by contacting a remnant of JENOVA. As long as the JENOVA's cells spreaded throughout the lifestream exist, the will of Sephiroth is alive. So, basically, you could say that as long as the world lives, Sephiroth also does. And, perhaps, beyond, if he ever takes an individual form again and finally sets sail through the universe until he finds his Promised Land.
Doesn't that sound incredibly silly? hahahahaha :lee:
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Screw Kefka. He died. Sephiroth lives.
no, he died, was born through a clone of him, and was killed again.
He failed TWICE OVER.
That's an absolutely poor, shallow and ridiculously foolish conclusion.
Sephiroth isn't flesh. Sephiroth is will.
the will to fail. Hard.
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That's an absolutely poor, shallow and ridiculously foolish conclusion.
Sephiroth isn't flesh. Sephiroth is will.
And Kadaj etc were the remnants of that will, given form by the lifestream. And Kadaj failed.
That's incorrect. Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz were conglomerations o JENOVA's cells, each having the potential to "express Sephiroth" by contacting a remnant of JENOVA. As long as the JENOVA's cells spreaded throughout the lifestream exist, the will of Sephiroth is alive. So, basically, you could say that as long as the world lives, Sephiroth also does. And, perhaps, beyond, if he ever takes an individual form again and finally sets sail through the universe until he finds his Promised Land.
Doesn't that sound incredibly silly? hahahahaha :lee:
or ya know, till he get PURGE by a dead girl. Hell, the doctor that made him did more damage then sephiroth (DOC is cannon.).
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Factual-baseless bullcrap.
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Locked. I could have gone on talking about it, but there is no point to the stupidity of this thread.
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