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Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis => Time, Space, and Dimensions => Topic started by: Magus068 on September 10, 2006, 02:34:46 am

Title: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Magus068 on September 10, 2006, 02:34:46 am
Most you have notice that in ending cutscene that there's blonde girl holding an Astral Amulet in the middle of Tokyo.  Is it possible that she cross our dimension using the Astral Amulet?
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: evirus on September 10, 2006, 10:18:36 am
Most you have notice that in ending cutscene that there's blonde girl holding an Astral Amulet in the middle of Tokyo.  Is it possible that she cross our dimension using the Astral Amulet?

well it would make sense from the credits movie obviously. i dont see any thing that would prevent her from doing that. even if she needed to be involved with the orignal split between the "real" deminsion and Chrono deminsions, prehaps something from lavos rubbed off on her in that respect
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 10, 2006, 11:24:01 am
Check the Lab maps from 2300 A.D. There are crosswalks and ruined cars. She merely went to the future.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 10, 2006, 02:54:16 pm
I'm with Zeality with this, though yes, I guess she could travel to our universe if she felt like it. She does seem to currently possess reality warping powers.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Zaperking on September 11, 2006, 06:40:20 pm
Check the Lab maps from 2300 A.D. There are crosswalks and ruined cars. She merely went to the future.

I'm not exactally with you on this one.

I don't remember the future having a "primitive" rail road system, or a rail road system at all. We definitely know that they used cars.

Also, Schala's ending quote where she says something on the lines of "lets open the doors to another reality, and live again another day". Well, she it's taken literally, and possibly it is, she crossed dimensions and is looking for Serge here. It'd nicely wrap up the whole bond between Schala and Serge, kind of like the search Magus went through for Schala.

Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Magus068 on September 12, 2006, 07:20:22 am
But why did she cross to our dimension?  If she's looking for Magus, there's little or no chance that she'll find him.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 12, 2006, 06:24:06 pm
Who said Schala was warped to whatever time/dimension she's currently in on purpose? She could've been randomly thrown there by the Chrono Cross's effects.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Mavix on September 13, 2006, 03:35:46 pm
Excactly the power of chrono cross effects is unprobebal. she could've went anywere.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Zaperking on September 13, 2006, 05:19:29 pm
Well, it can't be the Chrono Cross' fault. It is stated to only have the power to unite things, unite minds, heal (could be mental or physical) and merge things that were once two or just reset them to their original.

Anyway, Schala's ending journal passage hints that she believes in reincarnation, and that would mean that Serge could be reincarnated anywhere. Hence, she is looking in our dimension is well. It was a really ingenious thing to do - connecting the journal to the ending cinematics. If you understand the journal, then you'd understand the cinematics. Probably from her fruitless effort in the present of our dimension, the turning back clocks could mean that she will look in it's past.
Her goal is to find Serge (but I sometimes think Magus anyway) in any time, in any place, in any reality.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 13, 2006, 07:43:30 pm
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Well, it can't be the Chrono Cross' fault. It is stated to only have the power to unite things, unite minds, heal (could be mental or physical) and merge things that were once two or just reset them to their original.

Well, Schala's been outside the time stream for like, 13,000 years, and is no longer the original Schala that left the timeline. The Chrono Cross probably doesn't know what to do with her.

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Anyway, Schala's ending journal passage hints that she believes in reincarnation, and that would mean that Serge could be reincarnated anywhere. Hence, she is looking in our dimension is well. It was a really ingenious thing to do - connecting the journal to the ending cinematics. If you understand the journal, then you'd understand the cinematics. Probably from her fruitless effort in the present of our dimension, the turning back clocks could mean that she will look in it's past.
Her goal is to find Serge (but I sometimes think Magus anyway) in any time, in any place, in any reality.

That's all just speculation and assumption.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Legend of the Past on September 16, 2006, 09:25:43 am
Check the Lab maps from 2300 A.D. There are crosswalks and ruined cars. She merely went to the future.

I'm not exactally with you on this one.

I don't remember the future having a "primitive" rail road system, or a rail road system at all. We definitely know that they used cars.

Actually, in the Dead Sea there's a train section. You know, the ghost that muses about missing the train. The Dead Sea and 2300 A.D. are roughly the same in terms of what we'll find in there (other than the obvious changes of the Tower of Geddon and the Frozen Flame). Technology-wise, anything we'll find in the Dead Sea we should be able to locate in the ruin future, 2300 A.D.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: evirus on September 16, 2006, 11:02:24 am
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Well, it can't be the Chrono Cross' fault. It is stated to only have the power to unite things, unite minds, heal (could be mental or physical) and merge things that were once two or just reset them to their original.

Well, Schala's been outside the time stream for like, 13,000 years, and is no longer the original Schala that left the timeline. The Chrono Cross probably doesn't know what to do with her.

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Anyway, Schala's ending journal passage hints that she believes in reincarnation, and that would mean that Serge could be reincarnated anywhere. Hence, she is looking in our dimension is well. It was a really ingenious thing to do - connecting the journal to the ending cinematics. If you understand the journal, then you'd understand the cinematics. Probably from her fruitless effort in the present of our dimension, the turning back clocks could mean that she will look in it's past.
Her goal is to find Serge (but I sometimes think Magus anyway) in any time, in any place, in any reality.

That's all just speculation and assumption.

trust me, everything on this site is speculation and assumption, the resualt of the devlopers not fleshing out every little odd and end in the game to the point where there are no questions about even the slightest thing, see "nu". we are just doing what we can and the whole speculation and assumption arguement just negates everything we have ever theorised
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 16, 2006, 02:20:50 pm
Well duh, but most speculation and assumption has some basis in fact. That was just conjured out of the imagination with no basis at all.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Magus068 on September 17, 2006, 05:42:55 am
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Who said Schala was warped to whatever time/dimension she's currently in on purpose? She could've been randomly thrown there by the Chrono Cross's effects.

But random warping contradicts the fact in Chrono Cross that in order to cross dimension you must find a hotspot(call it dimensional gate if you might will) then use the Astral Amulet to open the gate.  The gate didn't throw you randomly like you said if you recall the game.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 17, 2006, 03:00:41 pm
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But random warping contradicts the fact in Chrono Cross that in order to cross dimension you must find a hotspot(call it dimensional gate if you might will) then use the Astral Amulet to open the gate.  The gate didn't throw you randomly like you said if you recall the game.

Well I'm not talking about the GATE, am I? I'm talking about the Chrono Cross. There's more than one way to cross time, so I'm sure there's more than one way to cross dimensions.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Zaperking on September 18, 2006, 01:18:23 am
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Well, it can't be the Chrono Cross' fault. It is stated to only have the power to unite things, unite minds, heal (could be mental or physical) and merge things that were once two or just reset them to their original.

Well, Schala's been outside the time stream for like, 13,000 years, and is no longer the original Schala that left the timeline. The Chrono Cross probably doesn't know what to do with her.

Ofcourse she's the original. No more time travelling has resulted in another Schala being thrown out. Anyway, the Chrono Cross is the lost element that combines all the other elements that encompass nature. Just like our whole knowledge of physics, everything has it's place in the universe. Schala does too, regardless. With that said, the CC could have either merged bodies with Kid, removed Kid completely, Restored either ones minds (so Kid just simply gained all of Schala's past, but Schala really dissapeared or whatever) and heaps of different scenarios from what we are given.

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That's all just speculation and assumption.
Well duh, but most speculation and assumption has some basis in fact. That was just conjured out of the imagination with no basis at all.

Oh really? So you dare ignore the ending FMV as a fact, and the ending journal, and the whole search for Serge that Schala promised? Please, go back to the general section =.= Your replys would be more useful there.

Check the Lab maps from 2300 A.D. There are crosswalks and ruined cars. She merely went to the future.

I'm not exactally with you on this one.

I don't remember the future having a "primitive" rail road system, or a rail road system at all. We definitely know that they used cars.

Actually, in the Dead Sea there's a train section. You know, the ghost that muses about missing the train. The Dead Sea and 2300 A.D. are roughly the same in terms of what we'll find in there (other than the obvious changes of the Tower of Geddon and the Frozen Flame). Technology-wise, anything we'll find in the Dead Sea we should be able to locate in the ruin future, 2300 A.D.

Oops, I forgot about that one. But hey, that seems more like an underground rail way. And at any rate, we don't know if she's in 1999AD, or 2300AD. Personally, It seemed like 1999AD, as we didn't see any robots or anything that would resemble 2300AD (also, the clothes shown in 1999AD (for instance the Arris Dome Director) don't look near the FMV people's clothes. Heck, 1999AD in Chrono does not equal 2000AD in our world. That is where some of my basis is coming from.





Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 18, 2006, 06:38:02 pm
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Ofcourse she's the original. No more time travelling has resulted in another Schala being thrown out. Anyway, the Chrono Cross is the lost element that combines all the other elements that encompass nature. Just like our whole knowledge of physics, everything has it's place in the universe. Schala does too, regardless. With that said, the CC could have either merged bodies with Kid, removed Kid completely, Restored either ones minds (so Kid just simply gained all of Schala's past, but Schala really dissapeared or whatever) and heaps of different scenarios from what we are given.

That's not what I meant at all. I meant original as in Schala's original form. But now she's some sort've quasi-dimensional superbeing.

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Oh really? So you dare ignore the ending FMV as a fact, and the ending journal, and the whole search for Serge that Schala promised? Please, go back to the general section =.= Your replys would be more useful there.

Did I ONCE bring up the journal or even question the ending FMV? No? STFU and stop acting like your answers are better than others. KTHX.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Zaperking on September 18, 2006, 08:11:00 pm
Did I ONCE bring up the journal or even question the ending FMV? No? STFU and stop acting like your answers are better than others. KTHX.

I'm not the one who said that "That was just conjured out of the imagination with no basis at all." When it did have basis =.=
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Chrono'99 on September 19, 2006, 05:44:41 am
What Zaperking said has some basis.

But now she's some sort've quasi-dimensional superbeing.

And this has absolutely no basis at all.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 19, 2006, 07:25:25 pm
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And this has absolutely no basis at all.

It's a point Zaper continually makes, so I allowed it for the sake of arguing Schala's space/time location instead of her exact nature.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Zaperking on September 20, 2006, 02:51:05 am
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And this has absolutely no basis at all.

It's a point Zaper continually makes, so I allowed it for the sake of arguing Schala's space/time location instead of her exact nature.

I never said that she is a quasi-dimensional being, dimwit.
If you look at half of my Schala posts on the thread, i'm relating it back to the fact that she obviously had some kind of power to resist Lavos, and that she has the pendant to do such things =.=
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 20, 2006, 06:16:37 pm
And you make her out to be a godlike being who can do frickin' anything.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Zaperking on September 20, 2006, 09:40:34 pm
And you make her out to be a godlike being who can do frickin' anything.

Your interprentation, and you support that yourself. Don't get my views mixed with your own.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 21, 2006, 12:35:37 am
I only said she could do "Anything" When you treated her as more powerful than Magus and as powerful as Lavos.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Magus068 on September 23, 2006, 08:10:42 am
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Well I'm not talking about the GATE, am I? I'm talking about the Chrono Cross. There's more than one way to cross time, so I'm sure there's more than one way to cross dimensions.

Although this is a bit late for a comeback... I know that you're not talking about the dimensional gate.  But my point is that it's not random warping that make her came to our dimension.  What I mean is that when you enter a certain gate & you warp to a definite place & dimension.  Just like you warp in Opassa beach H to Opassa Beach A or from the Chaos Time Field Dimension to Hydra Marshes H.

If there's any way to cross dimension without using any form of dimensional gate, please enlighten me...
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 23, 2006, 12:39:08 pm
Ahem, the Epoch, for one, and whatever the Dragon Gods were doing to unite together without using Gates, the Masamune's occassional teleportation in CC, and the Chrono Cross, as it demonstrated as it could send you back in time on a sidequest without a gate.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Magus068 on September 25, 2006, 11:01:55 am
Epoch?  You mean Neo-Epoch right?  Others facts seems to be plausible but I'm still not convince about the teleport thing.  Teleporting to another dimension seems to defy the laws of physics.  Think about it, you're talking about the transfering of matter from one dimension to another and don't forget that there's always a barrier between different dimensions and that's reason why I'm blabbering about the dimensional gate because you can't just cross dimension without getting through that barrier.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 25, 2006, 07:24:59 pm
I meant the Epoch. We don't even see the Neo-Epoch in action. And sure, that defies the laws of physics, but so does magic, elements, time travel, dreams made manifest as a physical reality, ghosts, and everything ELSE that's considered a plot point in CT/CC except for like...robots.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Magus22 on September 25, 2006, 11:59:54 pm
*Off-topic sort of*

I have never seen this Neo-Epoch everyone talks about. Could someone quickly tell me where it is and when you get the chance to see it? On my play throughs, people talk about a basement, I don't recall anything like that.

Could I get a quick clarification?
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Zaperking on September 26, 2006, 03:16:11 am
You find it in Viper Manor, behind the table in Belthasar's room. You press the wall or something.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Legend of the Past on September 26, 2006, 04:30:56 pm
You press the wall or something.

Bookcase, actually; just walk on the other side of Belthy's desk and press the X button on the bookcases there.

Note this is only achievable after the first infiltration into Another's Viper Manor.

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Ahem, the Epoch, for one, and whatever the Dragon Gods were doing to unite together without using Gates, the Masamune's occassional teleportation in CC, and the Chrono Cross, as it demonstrated as it could send you back in time on a sidequest without a gate.

Or the Time Egg, the Multi-Purpose Time-Space-Dimension bender, that can not only take you back to a specific point in time AND freeze it, but also opens Gates to a variety of pocket dimensions like the Tesseract and RD's Corridors of Time. I wouldn't put abilities such as this beyond the Frozen Flame, either, but we've never seen it do this really (The Time Crash sent Chronopolis back in time, but acted as a huge gate, a la Lavos' gate in Magus' Fort, and it sent the place back to the same point in another time).

Also, the Red Gate sent Lucca to another time and another place, if that counts. So the Planet is that uber, too.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 26, 2006, 06:45:27 pm
Er...the Time Egg and the Planet both make Gates. I was talking about things that DON'T.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Zaperking on September 26, 2006, 08:00:59 pm
I only said she could do "Anything" When you treated her as more powerful than Magus and as powerful as Lavos.

If you say that she can do anything, then you're regarding her as even more powerful than Lavos. As I said, stick to your own beliefs, or support others. Don't interwind mine with yours then bcaklash them at me.

I still continue to believe that Schala has somekind of power that cannot be reckoned with.

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Or the Time Egg, the Multi-Purpose Time-Space-Dimension bender, that can not only take you back to a specific point in time AND freeze it, but also opens Gates to a variety of pocket dimensions like the Tesseract and RD's Corridors of Time. I wouldn't put abilities such as this beyond the Frozen Flame, either, but we've never seen it do this really (The Time Crash sent Chronopolis back in time, but acted as a huge gate, a la Lavos' gate in Magus' Fort, and it sent the place back to the same point in another time).

Also, the Red Gate sent Lucca to another time and another place, if that counts. So the Planet is that uber, too.
On the note of the FF, the game was making it sound that Lavos pulled backs the Flame. The flame being attatched to Lavos was being sent with it. Chronopolis deactivated the flame, which stopped the transferance. It wasn't really normal timetravelling like going from point A and B because this time, they could stop whenever aslong as they didn't get to the time where Lavos was, pulling it back.

Also, yes, with the conservation of matter theorm, I really didn't think about that and Dinopolis and the Moon. this brings forth another problem. If the Reptite Dimension lost Dinopolis then what? And CC's dimension gained matter. So CT's world doesn't follow normal conventional rules.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Chrono'99 on September 27, 2006, 08:57:55 am
Chronopolis deactivated the flame, which stopped the transferance. It wasn't really normal timetravelling like going from point A and B because this time, they could stop whenever aslong as they didn't get to the time where Lavos was, pulling it back.
Pure false assumption. The Frozen Flame pulled back Chronopolis "ten thousand" years back in time, period. Chronopolis didn't have the... time, to stop anything.

Also, yes, with the conservation of matter theorm, I really didn't think about that and Dinopolis and the Moon. this brings forth another problem. If the Reptite Dimension lost Dinopolis then what? And CC's dimension gained matter. So CT's world doesn't follow normal conventional rules.
The conservation of time theorem (note: of time) actually acts only when four or more beings from different time periods step into a Gate, according to the Japanese CT. The English version omitted the "from different time periods" bit. Thus there was a problem with Crono's party + Robo in CT, but there's no problem with Chronopolis in CC since the inhabitants all come from the same era, 2,400 AD.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Legend of the Past on September 27, 2006, 03:53:09 pm
Er...the Time Egg and the Planet both make Gates.

The Time Egg doesn't make Gates. I've never seen a Time Egg function as a Gate, unless you count the Time Egg breaking into the Tesseract a gate. 
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Zaperking on September 27, 2006, 06:08:39 pm
Pure false assumption. The Frozen Flame pulled back Chronopolis "ten thousand" years back in time, period. Chronopolis didn't have the... time, to stop anything.

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Kid:
   In the year 2400, during a
   counter-time experiment, the
   Flame goes out of control...
   This causes the dimensions
   to rip apart, resultin' in
   the Time Crash.
   Engulfed in an enormous
   dimensional vortex,
   Chronopolis was hurled ten
   thousand years back in time.
   Perhaps it was the awakenin'
   Lavos who pulled the Frozen
   Flame back through time to it.
   Maybe so that Lavos, who saw
   the possibility that some young
   adventurers might destroy it,
   could create a backup plan.

As I said. The cause of the time crash was because Chronopolis activated the flame. We already know that they had a system built in to control the anhilation energy produced by it. If it was like a circuit breaker, then possibly if Chronopolis was sent back in time to far, the circuit would break and the time travel would stop. That may explain why Chronopolis just landed in 10000BC all of a sudden.
Also, If Lavos' presence was pulling it back, then why would Chronopolis all of a sudden just stop before the point where Lavos appeared out of the ground or whatever (depending on the whole Lavos' pocket dimension thing).

Also, has anyone noticed so many inconsistancies in the script like:
 
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Or perhaps it was even 2,400
   years in the future, when the
   Time Crash hurled Chronopolis
   back to prehistoric times?

And heck, they say that the dimensions rip apart when time travel occurs, and that Schala fell into a dimensional gate etc. But then shes in the time stream.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Chrono'99 on September 27, 2006, 06:24:58 pm
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Kid:
   In the year 2400, during a
   counter-time experiment, the
   Flame goes out of control...
   This causes the dimensions
   to rip apart, resultin' in
   the Time Crash.
   Engulfed in an enormous
   dimensional vortex,
   Chronopolis was hurled ten
   thousand years back in time.
   Perhaps it was the awakenin'
   Lavos who pulled the Frozen
   Flame back through time to it.
   Maybe so that Lavos, who saw
   the possibility that some young
   adventurers might destroy it,
   could create a backup plan.
You're taking a quote and completely saying something else... This quote only says that:

1/ the Flame went out of control and caused the Time Crash
2/ the Time Crash pulled Chronopolis back in time
3/ this was kinda planned by Lavos.

That's all the quote says, that's all the facts. The rest of your post is pure, baseless assumption: you might want to re-read it and count how many "if" and "would" you put...

Again, the Time Crash pulled Chronopolis back ten thousand years in time, period. Everything in the game hints towards the fact that "ten thousand" is just a rounded number for "twelve thousand" (see one of the topic about that), but even without considering the exact date the fact is that Chronopolis didn't have the time (nor the power) to stop the crash.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 27, 2006, 06:26:16 pm
Yeah. Awakening Lavos and other incidents suggest that Lavos, awoken to destroy Zeal, is what pulled Chronopolis back. We also have no evidence whatsoever that some kind of temporal brake has ever existed in any form of Chrono series canon.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Zaperking on September 28, 2006, 09:47:04 pm

That's all the quote says, that's all the facts. The rest of your post is pure, baseless assumption: you might want to re-read it and count how many "if" and "would" you put...

Again, the Time Crash pulled Chronopolis back ten thousand years in time, period. Everything in the game hints towards the fact that "ten thousand" is just a rounded number for "twelve thousand" (see one of the topic about that), but even without considering the exact date the fact is that Chronopolis didn't have the time (nor the power) to stop the crash.

1) Basic Composition of Literature and English. Use "If"s and "What"s to create a a proposed argument that is not necessarily fact to convince your reader. That's argumental etiquette. You don't enforce an idea upon anyone. You simply reason it out. So don't call my thing a baseless assumption if I give my hypothesis on the possibility of such a thing occuring. Belthasar himself stated that the Time Crash was his finest hour, so he obviously was controlling it or had it set up exactally so nothing would fail. Hence, if Chronopolis did get pulled back by the awakening Lavos, then 12,000BC it is. But because it went back so far, but didn't go to that point, and stopped right before it, that means that there was some sort of control in the experiment. Remember, in science, experiments are done under controlled environments. Not sure if that environment means time, but it's controlled. Remember, none of the scientists worried about the possibility of them going to a wrong time. What they worried about was the anhiliation energy from the flame.

2) As if the flame pulled Chronopolis back 10,000 years in time, if the flame was in the future itself. That would either mean it has it's own conciousness and does what it wants; that it can time travel; or that it randomly decided to go back 10,000 years into the past. The point of explaining something is to use reason (and surely, I quite frankly remember another theory that used evidence from a treasure box and that you can have two of the same items, from different time periods, and there being a law supported by this, without the actual thought that the development team simply overlooked this).

3) If one is experimenting on something, and it goes out of control, one must stop the experiment. The fact here was that until Chronopolis did their experiment (activated that little machine to drain it or whatever they did to cause it, the flame was no activated). If the flame is powering some kind of time device in Chronopolis, then deactivating or letting go of the power source would suffice in cutting the energy flow for such a device.

4) On the matter of time, I'm pretty sure Chronopolis did have all the time they wanted to stop it if anything. Heck, various quotes from the game implied that as Schala was "falling through the time steam" she overheard Serge, and caused the magnetic storm to save him. If Schala can interfer with time outside of the timestream, then Chronopolis can so too, all at the same time as being sent somewhere. Heck, in CT, it took the player like 8 seconds to get across the gates. Either way, Chronopolis, in the end, was a controlled experiment by Belthasar, since he definitely knew what was going to be the outcome.


If you wanted to know, my post stood at 2 "if"s and 2 "would"s.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: ZeaLitY on September 28, 2006, 11:26:47 pm
Oh boy, I've seen this situation before. [Random Fan], who adored [Topic] so much that he or she formulated baseless beliefs about [Topic], comes to the [Analysis Topic] forum and argues [Topic]'s baseless powers or special conditions rigidly. Only now, Sentenal isn't here to rigidly argue for canonical interpretation.

Lavos pulled back Chronopolis to 12000 B.C. using the Frozen Flame presumably when he awakened at the Ocean Palace. We know nothing else.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Zaperking on September 30, 2006, 04:27:55 am
Oh boy, I've seen this situation before. [Random Fan], who adored [Topic] so much that he or she formulated baseless beliefs about [Topic], comes to the [Analysis Topic] forum and argues [Topic]'s baseless powers or special conditions rigidly. Only now, Sentenal isn't here to rigidly argue for canonical interpretation.

Lavos pulled back Chronopolis to 12000 B.C. using the Frozen Flame presumably when he awakened at the Ocean Palace. We know nothing else.

Except that my current argument with Chrono'99 isn't about Schala.

The only thing that i'm pissed off here about is that my inference was called a "baseless assumption" when I was using already stated in game facts to hypothesis something. Heck if you don't remember anything about anhiliation energy, then maybe you should replay the game or look at the script. That very quote reminds me of the metaphor (which seems literal sometimes) that when you get to close to the flame, it will burn you. And "when you look into the flame, it looks back at you".

The conservation of time theorem (note: of time) actually acts only when four or more beings from different time periods step into a Gate, according to the Japanese CT. The English version omitted the "from different time periods" bit. Thus there was a problem with Crono's party + Robo in CT, but there's no problem with Chronopolis in CC since the inhabitants all come from the same era, 2,400 AD.

I just remembered something. Magus and Crono and co all got gated without going to the End of Time....
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: AuraTwilight on September 30, 2006, 02:19:21 pm
Probably because they didn't go through a normal gate.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Chrono'99 on October 29, 2006, 11:22:53 am
I just remembered something. Magus and Crono and co all got gated without going to the End of Time....
I think the following question was addressed before, but I don't remember what the answer was:

Did Magus and Crono's party really got gated without going to the End of Time? Couldn't they have been gated there, and then manually thrown into the Prehistory and Dark Ages gates by Gaspar, while they were still all unconscious?
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: nightmare975 on October 29, 2006, 05:04:06 pm
This has most likely said before, but what if Schala didn't cross over into our world, instead, she went to the future. The domes in 1999 AD did have modern day buildings inside of them.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Magus068 on October 30, 2006, 04:41:18 am
This has most likely said before, but what if Schala didn't cross over into our world, instead, she went to the future. The domes in 1999 AD did have modern day buildings inside of them.

Its possible however the technology & architecture that you see in the Chronoverse is somehow different compare to our world.  That's why the most likely candidate is our universe because its description fits perfectly to Tokyo, Japan.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Chrono'99 on October 30, 2006, 05:34:39 am
It's as likely to be set in Tokyo as the girl is likely to be a real-world actress who was cast for a video-game cutscene...
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: grey_the_angel on October 30, 2006, 06:21:51 am
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But random warping contradicts the fact in Chrono Cross that in order to cross dimension you must find a hotspot(call it dimensional gate if you might will) then use the Astral Amulet to open the gate.  The gate didn't throw you randomly like you said if you recall the game.

Well I'm not talking about the GATE, am I? I'm talking about the Chrono Cross. There's more than one way to cross time, so I'm sure there's more than one way to cross dimensions.
not really. even in CT, the only way to hop was through gate usage. The entity had to allow you some place.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Magus22 on October 31, 2006, 05:12:10 pm
Wait... if Lavos enabled the super massive gate which sucked Crono and co. to Mystic Mountain and Magus to Zeal (why those particular places still unknown) but could Schala have obtained new skills threw her encounter/struggle with the TD having been bonded?
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Chrono'99 on October 31, 2006, 06:19:07 pm
Wait... if Lavos enabled the super massive gate which sucked Crono and co. to Mystic Mountain and Magus to Zeal (why those particular places still unknown) but could Schala have obtained new skills threw her encounter/struggle with the TD having been bonded?
There's no solid evidence of that. In any case, we know that the fusion with Lavos was not totally complete yet (or else the multiverse would have been erased), so Schala probably didn't gain much power from it. Actually, it's more probable that she became even weaker after that stressful, fateful encounter which lasted thousand years...
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Zaperking on November 01, 2006, 01:04:05 am
Too bad that the game implies otherwise, anyway.

Also, simply is she can traverse dimensions doesn't mean that she has to be omni potent. If you take into account what Masato said and how Schala wrote her ending journal line, it's quite plausible that indeed, Schala did travel to our world to look for Serge. Heck, it'd have a greater effect if that was true. Remember, Schala has no place in the CT universe anymore. Her past is erased, she does not belong in the future.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Chrono'99 on November 01, 2006, 06:22:24 am
Oh yeah, I forgot that she belongs in our world now. It all makes sense.. :roll:

How is her past "erased" by the way?
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: Zaperking on November 01, 2006, 08:16:13 pm
Her past is erased no matter what. Maybe I stated it wrong. She has no place in the past. Heck, she was supposed to die or dissapear in the Black Omen. That or teleport out and live a normal life. But ofcourse, the past in the keystone timeline is that Lavos awoke and destroyed everything, Zeal was in the Black Omen throughout time and Janus got sent to 600AD. What life would Schala go back to?
I came to this conclusion as Schala kind of mentioned this in her journal.
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An eternity has passed...
   Fleeting dreams fade into the distance...
   All that is left now
   Is me and my memories...

If she only has her memories left now, then this implies that she can't relive the past. Heck, CC pretty much closed the whole aspect of time travel, that it will not ever happen again except for the Magus/Schala search (or whatever else Chrono Break may come up with when it does). Heck, the compendium seems to support the fact that time travelling into the past erases and created a new future.

So pretty much, all Schala has left is to look for whoever. I still think it's Janus in a way.
Title: Re: Did Schala cross to our dimension?
Post by: ZeaLitY on May 04, 2007, 01:37:52 am
Jeez, after an innocent topic starter, this topic became a fine example of what "Lavos" is to a planet called "Analysis". Except there's no Day of Lavos; that parasite just keeps going...