https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/index.php?title=The_Rise_of_Porre&feed=atom&action=historyThe Rise of Porre - Revision history2024-03-28T09:43:06ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.22.0https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/index.php?title=The_Rise_of_Porre&diff=42693&oldid=prevZeaLitY at 16:05, 19 August 20202020-08-19T16:05:59Z<p></p>
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</table>ZeaLitYhttps://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/index.php?title=The_Rise_of_Porre&diff=42692&oldid=prevZeaLitY: /* Porre Dalton */2020-08-19T16:05:43Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Porre Dalton</span></span></p>
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</table>ZeaLitYhttps://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/index.php?title=The_Rise_of_Porre&diff=29601&oldid=prevZeaLitY: /* Porre Artifacts */2009-01-09T05:18:28Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Porre Artifacts</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">The aforementioned theories form the mainstream; another theory exists, however, that was derived from the long hair of the man who slays the last Guardian defender in the Fall of Guardia cutscene.</del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">====Refutation====</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>ZeaLitYhttps://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/index.php?title=The_Rise_of_Porre&diff=29600&oldid=prevZeaLitY: /* Porre Dalton */2009-01-09T05:17:10Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Porre Dalton</span></span></p>
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</table>ZeaLitYhttps://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/index.php?title=The_Rise_of_Porre&diff=29180&oldid=prevZeaLitY at 07:50, 1 January 20092009-01-01T07:50:02Z<p></p>
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</table>ZeaLitYhttps://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/index.php?title=The_Rise_of_Porre&diff=22076&oldid=prevZeaLitY: /* Technological Introduction */2008-07-02T18:11:21Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Technological Introduction</span></span></p>
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</table>ZeaLitYhttps://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/index.php?title=The_Rise_of_Porre&diff=19559&oldid=prevZeaLitY: /* Porre Dalton */2008-01-13T07:13:03Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Porre Dalton</span></span></p>
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