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« on: June 23, 2005, 02:57:32 am »
:shock:  damn there was  157 people on chrono shock  a minute ago now that is alot of people (looks at current most users ever online at 17) mabye we should advertise?

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2005, 03:09:49 am »
Those numbers can't be true. Chronoshock is a dead site with no content and a group of leftover old timey forumers who have been disconnected with the main Chrono community for ages. They had no idea what Temporal Flux was a month after it was released and stare at me with wide eyes and blank stares whenever I notify them of news, like Kirite being released or a fan project releasing a demo. 159 members on at one time is impossible for them. In March I even calculated our rates of front page hits per day. We were set to overtake them in about August 2005 concerning total front page hits with our Encyclopedia from April 2004 vs. their new site from the same month. Of course, now they don't have a site, and have no plans to bring back what they lost.

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2005, 03:14:26 am »
crazy numbers i know but its there and i was the only user on at that time
check the users online thing there is still about 50 guests on.

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2005, 03:51:22 am »
Yes, now there are 40, at 2 AM in the morning? And I'm the only member checking their forums out of that number? A falsity.

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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2005, 04:08:11 am »
there where some more users on before
but 2am where you people are its only 5 pm here in australia the forums are so quite well i should get back o writing

with the numbers at chrono shock it was probally a bug or program doing a serch or check or somthing for a serch enigne maybe

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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2005, 04:08:50 am »
Yeah, I'm coming across pretty hard, but dang, I just see how it'd be so easy to make that number look inflated...

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2005, 04:14:16 am »
what i dont get is  why we have 500 members  roughly and have only had 17 people online ever at one time?

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2005, 02:43:54 pm »
Most likely because that's 500 members over a period of 1.7 years.

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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2005, 04:04:08 pm »
No worries here.

I was glancing over the ChronoShock forums and, for what I could see, we have ten times the intelligence of discussion and depth of thought here. They don't have a minute fraction of the analysis or understanding of the series, and have very few threads on concrete topics, most just floundering here or there.

So, in essence, ZeaLitY, GreyLensman, and the rest of the people who run the Compendium: no worries, forget however many may be online with them (though it is likely in error, anyway), you beat them hands down every day. Not to mention that their forum, in terms of posts, is no more active than this one.

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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2005, 04:36:21 pm »
Thanks; my faith is girded. Even in matters of content, we're making strides. While another site might list a couple sentences about this character, we have a high quality write up and list of information for someone even as small as King Guardia XXXIII. http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/index.php?title=King_Guardia_XXXIII

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2005, 12:28:35 am »
*That large number of guests usually indicates that a search engine, in this case google more than likely, was cacheing the pages. Though in the first days of CS over 4 years ago having 50-60 real people on at any given time was not unusal.

*The reason for no site content lies in a combination of both bad hosting in the past where content was lost and the fact that we have lives.

*There is less discussion on CS for the main reason, as briefly mentioned before, is that the site is four years old. And it was a fusion of a CT and CC site that had a year or so run before that. So after 5 years or so, give or take, you run out of things to analyze and discuss. Been there done that.

*Not to knock your site or anything, because granted I've never really looked at it, but you're not the only ones to feature unique content. You just happen to have webmasters and staffers that have time to work on it. Whereas many of our staffers such as myself, are in college full time and/or have jobs. College > fansite in my opinion.

*At this point I'm not really sure what led me to post any of this. Maybe it was the nasty tones on both sides. The way I see it there aren't many CT/CC sites as it is so theres no reason to be snarky to each other. Especially when mentioning the intelligence level of posts and debates. I only wish the forums hadn't crashed a year or so ago.

At any rate, good luck with your site.  :)

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2005, 12:55:58 am »
Well, my tone mostly comes from the fact that I do post links to features for totally good intention, as its not like I'm capable of infringing upon Chronoshock's negatively something. However, I can't post it there without getting slammed for linking my site like I'm a huge spammer. That's why I've neglected to even mention the Chrono Symphonic Extravaganza, because I can't fit thirteen interviews in a single thread.

And...I wish I had webmasters who wrote as much content as I did. Initially, I almost wanted to close the site because I could not find much help with anything. However, now, structures are in place and I can focus on the high quality stuff like biographies while tools like Temporal Flux allow easy handling of graphics.

Sorry, I suppose a little of my tone also comes from my ambition. I intend for this to become the ultimate site, while the vibes I got from Chronoshock and Dicetomato specifically were kind of not really caring.

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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2005, 01:05:44 am »
I think the hostility at CS comes from the fact that the vast majority of your posts tend to include links and at times profuse mention of your site. No one begrudges that you have a site, and that your mentions of it are sometimes relevant, its just the frequency of the refernces. I understand the excitment and the need to share, I can be guilty of it as well, but it doesn't usually doesn't come off well.

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2005, 03:12:43 am »
lol with all this "fighting" between chrono compendium people and chrono shock people once i finish chrono arc and chrono tactics i should make a spinoff of the chrono tactics game,
chrono compendium Vs chrono shock.
hehe i can just imagine it now :P

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2005, 07:48:38 pm »
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*That large number of guests usually indicates that a search engine, in this case google more than likely, was cacheing the pages. Though in the first days of CS over 4 years ago having 50-60 real people on at any given time was not unusal.

*The reason for no site content lies in a combination of both bad hosting in the past where content was lost and the fact that we have lives.

*There is less discussion on CS for the main reason, as briefly mentioned before, is that the site is four years old. And it was a fusion of a CT and CC site that had a year or so run before that. So after 5 years or so, give or take, you run out of things to analyze and discuss. Been there done that.

*Not to knock your site or anything, because granted I've never really looked at it, but you're not the only ones to feature unique content. You just happen to have webmasters and staffers that have time to work on it. Whereas many of our staffers such as myself, are in college full time and/or have jobs. College > fansite in my opinion.

*At this point I'm not really sure what led me to post any of this. Maybe it was the nasty tones on both sides. The way I see it there aren't many CT/CC sites as it is so theres no reason to be snarky to each other. Especially when mentioning the intelligence level of posts and debates. I only wish the forums hadn't crashed a year or so ago.

At any rate, good luck with your site.  :)


Nasty tones? No, it was not really nasty. It was simply stating a fact. There is far more in depth analysis here, if one looks over all the articles, the discussions on time-travel, origins of characters, real-world influences. Considering the way ZeaLitY was speaking, it seemed there was a bit of a rivalry between the two forums, so I went over to discern exactly what this Chrono Shock was. I found forums not much different than, say, the Chronicles forums, where most of the discussion seems to be non-Chrono, and what is is generally surface discussions of who does what, and the like. In contrast, the Compendium has discussions ranging from technical to theological to philosophical, and approach it, as I have said before, in a manner befitting the ancient Hellenic philosophers, of open discussion and theorizing. So it's whatever the site intends, I suppose. I was approaching the comment in terms of how analytical the discussions were on both sites (which is ZeaLitY's goal), and I think from that field my comment was fair. I never said that was a bad thing, either, all I said that, as far as the goals of the Compendium go, ZeaLitY does not have much in the way of competition, which he appeared to be fearing.

And, to be honest, what got me a little frustrated when looking over the forums was looking at the name pronounciation thread, and not being able to reply due to the forum necromancy it would constitute. The problem with the thread was that it seemed that one poster (MN or something to that effect) was maintaining wrong assumptions, and it bothered me not to be able to correct them. Namely: 1.) That English is based mostly in Latin. It isn't. Only about 3 or 4%, or something like that, is from Latin. Most is indigenous to the North. 2.) That Latin for its part comes from Hellenic/Greek. It doesn't either. Say, the word 'lord': domino in Latin, anaks in Hellenic; 'king': Basileus or something to that effect in Hellenic, Rex in Latin; 'sword': Gladius in Latin, Skiphos in Hellenic. Anyway, both are Indo-European languages, and share a few words here or there because of their roots, but one is not the decendent of the other, especially since Latin speaking people colonized the Palantine Hill around 900BC, the very time when Hellas/Greece was coming out of its Dark Age. Contact didn't really come in a major way until the expeditionary force of the Macedonian Pyhrrus destroyed the Roman armies, 200 or 300BC. 3.) That Magus is pronounced May-gus in Latin, and should technically be Mah-jus because it comes from Chaldean. Now, I'm certain it is Mah-gus in Latin. Furthermore, I doubt the original was Chaldean, either. The Magi were a Persian group, not Chaldean. The Chaldeans were further west, around Ur, than the Persians - not until later did the Persians move west. I could be wrong, I suppose, but it still gives me cause for doubt, as Belthesar is certainly not a Chaldean name, as he maintains: it is Babylonian.

Anyway, it seemed to me that this was one of the few threads actually analyzing the Chrono world as the Compendium does. Most of the others were just game-topics. So I hope you can excuse me on these grounds.