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Serge - Assassin of Time
« on: August 07, 2009, 06:01:36 pm »
I created a similar thread a very long time ago, and I want to revive the discussion. How does Serge's existence lead to Home World's destruction? Why is the Dead Sea so screwed up ( a full-blown time freeze), and how does it relate to Serge? Ultimately, why is Serge so important? Belthasar essentially created him, but could he have chosen someone else? Why did it have to be Serge?

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Re: Serge - Assassin of Time
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2009, 11:26:51 pm »
This is mainly about Serge having become the arbiter of the FF. Accordingly, if he fails in such a role, he will merge with the TD and so bye-bye future. This leads to the formation of the Dead Sea, both futures (of both Lavos (or one with a similar outcome) and Keystone time lines) merged and squeezed themselves in the Sea of Eden, resulting in the way it is seen in Cross.

Now, Serge is important to all this since he is the arbiter, but about why was Serge the one to become arbiter, no idea. Belthasar could have set the events, but I think it's too much to say he knew exactly who was going to be in each role of his plan. But who knows...

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Re: Serge - Assassin of Time
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2009, 11:56:53 pm »
I think when Time Devourer finished its evolution, it'll devour all space-time instead of cause an armageddon like you see in the Dead Sea?
But it seems Serge's survival caused Lavos to emerge once again in Home World.

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Re: Serge - Assassin of Time
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2009, 12:05:34 am »
Right, I was thinking of that theory where it states that HW will not have Crono and company's TTI of any appearance beyond the time of the split, and mixed it with Serge's bad fate.

Still, Serge surviving causes HW and AW to exist, and that caused Lavos to allow his actions in 1999 AD again somehow.

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Re: Serge - Assassin of Time
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2009, 12:26:05 am »
But the Tower of Geddon in the Dead Sea had 2300 on it, that is strange.

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Re: Serge - Assassin of Time
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2009, 12:32:44 am »

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Re: Serge - Assassin of Time
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2009, 02:07:03 am »
OK, then but it is still not 1999.
It seems advanced structures are still being built after 1999, so the new armageddon is not in 1999?

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Re: Serge - Assassin of Time
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2009, 02:25:15 am »
But it's not necessary that the it has to be the year the Armageddon happened, the 2400 is for the Keystone future, which would be the Time Crash. Besides, why would the year change?

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Re: Serge - Assassin of Time
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2009, 02:34:20 am »
So you mean it was the Time Crash that destroyed those buildings in the Dead Sea?

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Re: Serge - Assassin of Time
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2009, 02:59:07 am »
No, as far as we know, the Time Crash affected only Chronopolis. But I mean that the represented year of the Keystone future in the Dead Sea is 2400 AD.

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Re: Serge - Assassin of Time
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2009, 03:04:50 am »
Oh, I mean that strucutre seems like a newly built one -- so i think the new armageddon in that destroyed future happened in 2400AD instead.
And the report for Lavos in the Dead Sea showed the date of 2300AD, which means at least Lavos didn't appar in 1999AD.

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Re: Serge - Assassin of Time
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2009, 11:11:50 am »
Still, is there a reason of why would the year of Lavos rising would change?

And actually, Lavos can't destroy the future in AW anymore (Chronopolis clearly proves it). Why would it happen in 2400 AD if it no longer can't?

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Re: Serge - Assassin of Time
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2009, 07:09:08 am »
The end of the Pocket Dimension and restoration of a 1999 A.D. Lavos defeat means that Armageddon-Branch Theory is back.

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Re: Serge - Assassin of Time
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2009, 01:01:07 pm »
Still doesn't work very nicely, though. Serge is clearly identified as the point on which the future pivots. The series is fairly big on conscious, intentional action changing the future; Serge's mere survival splitting the dimensions doesn't include an action on his part. It would be more prudent, then, to say that Kid is the Assassin of Time, not Serge, as she is the one who would travel back in time, splitting the dimensions, and restoring the dead-future.

Technically, Armageddon branch does indeed work, and it works very nicely. But thematically it’s contradictory.