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A little issue about Time Bastard
« on: August 02, 2009, 12:56:00 pm »
So, if I understood all well, Time Bastard and TTI theories say this :

Let's take Crono.
If Crono departs from 1000AD to go to 600AD, he creates a new timeline.
In this new timeline, a new version of himself, a Time Bastard, will grow up and will finally disappear when his personnal age will reach the age of the original Crono when this one traveled in the past.
Indeed, it's said in the Compendium that the disappearance of a Time Bastard is based on his/her/its personnal time (espacially for Kid's pendant).

Thanks to this, we can imagine a scenario in which a Time Bastard travels to the future.
In our example, let's say that Crono traveled from 1000AD to 600AD when he was 18. So that, his Time Bastard will live in the new timeline during 18 years before he fataly disappears. But it's not impossible that this Time Bastard, when he is only 16, travels through time as well !!

If he goes in the future : OK ! I will live here during 2 years and then disappear...
But now, what happens if this Time Bastard, before he dissapears, travels in the past and change history ?
Let's say that the Time Bastard of Crono, before his disappearance, travels to 300 AD !
What happens to him ?
And what happens to the original Crono supposed to arrive later in 600AD due to Time Traveler's Immunity ??

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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2009, 01:14:01 pm »
Well, the Time Bastard will travel and create a new time line, just like the original did. His entry to 300 AD is now TTI-protected, but still will disappear after some time since he is still a Time Bastard.

Now, depending on what he does before the deadline it will determine what does the original Crono will find in 600 AD, since TTI makes him appear in 600 AD regardless of what happens.

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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2009, 06:59:47 am »
So if we follow the history of the original Crono, he would depart from his own era, and then he would arrive in a past which is not the past of the timeline he comes from.
He will arrive in a past which was created by another version of himself that he created by the fact he time travelled !!

This can lead to very strange and extremely complicated scenarios :o...........

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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2009, 12:01:48 pm »
Ah, now the real conundrum is what if a Time Bastard travels to the DBT in a manner similar to Serge & Squad and, while there, their time runs out? Could they, like Serge, "run away" and break out into the real world again? Or would they suddenly become trapped there?

Indeed, if the DBT counts as removing matter/information from the real world, then wouldn't Serge travelling to the DBT effectively "destroy" matter?

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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2009, 06:04:53 am »
I found another issue about Time Bastard in Chrono Trigger DS (although it's not really related to my previous question...).

Here it is :

In the Lost Sanctum, Crono first places a blue stone in the village in 65 000 000 BC.
After that, he goes in 600 AD to pick up the stone in this era and then goes back in 65 000 000 BC to have 2 stones. So here we agree to say that the stone from the prehistoric era is a Time Bastard, and the stone which comes from 600 AD is the original one. (It's like the blue vest and the blue plate for instance)

Then, Crono fuses the 2 stones to create a big stone ! Hum...well, ok. In this case, half of this big stone is a Time Bastard and should disappear in 65 000 600 years. Actually, the big stone should morph back in a simple blue stone....

But it's not the case !!!
Because after that, Crono leaves the big stone in 65 000 000 BC to pick it up then in 600 AD, when the sun charged it in power !

How could we explain that ??
« Last Edit: August 07, 2009, 06:08:18 am by Cous »

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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2009, 07:33:35 am »
 :(

Trying to resist saying something like, "oh, it's hastily-made bonus content, it doesn't count..."


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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2009, 08:01:42 am »
That does sound like a plothole :( Although, perhaps the non-Time Bastard part was charged so much (65 million years on its own + 65 million years with its clone) that even if one half disappears the other half still had accumulated enough power to look powered-up on its own.

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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2009, 10:02:17 am »
Ooo, that's a good one, Cous.

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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2009, 11:07:51 am »
I'm not sure how would that work, indeed a plothole. Unless that by merging into a new object, it looses the TB, but that can't be since the stone would still be there, maybe not like itself but as part of the new object.

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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2009, 11:26:04 am »
I'm not sure how would that work, indeed a plothole.

Only a plothole under TB. Discard TB, and the plothole goes away.

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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2009, 11:28:16 am »
The possibility of new fan theory perhaps? It must be something about conversion of matter.

:(

Trying to resist saying something like, "oh, it's hastily-made bonus content, it doesn't count..."

Kato was the one who supervise it. I tend to think it must be something to do with Chrono Brake's concept or theory. Who know what is up in his mind?
And to be honest I don't think this can be called plothole generally, but in regard of fandom ''overanalysis''. TB,TTI and PD are the best example.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2009, 11:30:20 am by kid123 »

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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2009, 12:45:17 am »
Well, there goes Time Bastard. The entire idea is shot when you add in the DS bonus content. Unless normal time traveling laws do not exist in side that pocket dimension, for what ever reason. The magic of the place may run so thick that it some how defies all rational thought when it comes to time. It certainly would explain how the ladders in there could last for 65,000,600 years.

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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2009, 06:43:43 pm »
Well, there goes Time Bastard. The entire idea is shot when you add in the DS bonus content. Unless normal time traveling laws do not exist in side that pocket dimension, for what ever reason. The magic of the place may run so thick that it some how defies all rational thought when it comes to time. It certainly would explain how the ladders in there could last for 65,000,600 years.

Remember Lavos has to be beaten first, then the Vortexes open (right now, don't include the Reptites'). This mean the versions of the party who did defeated Lavos, wouldn't be able to enter them.

However, since you have to load a previous save file, it could be equivalent as now taking focus on another version of the party, preferably another dimension's, who probably did visited the place (just like how the Magus in there mentions, he comes from another dimension from the party who encountered it).

It doesn't affect TB in the least.

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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2009, 02:16:53 am »
Yes, without adding in the reptite village, the DS bonus content makes perfect sense with Time Bastard. I assumed everyone would know i was referring only to the village part of the content. I apologize, Acacia Sgt.

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Re: A little issue about Time Bastard
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2009, 02:36:01 am »
Yeah, 'DS bonus content' do covers all that. But then again, your last sentence is specifically mentioning just the Reptite place.

As for those ladders, well, they may just place new ones every now and then. The one who builds the bridge is proof enough they are capable of climbing the mountain on their own, so it's not hard to believe they would visit the mountain occasionally, and would replace the ladders when the need arises.

And if not them, then there are still those Reptites that you can fight against in there.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2009, 02:38:02 am by Acacia Sgt »