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Re: World Peace is Bullshit
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2009, 06:03:37 pm »
So, yeah.  Taking in both the good and the bad, what says you about globalization?

Yeah, it's inevitable, isn't it? And I think it could be a big leap forward. Obviously there are some issues with how it's going down, but business and economics are nonetheless forcing the main issue of an interconnected world on everyone, and perhaps that'll lead in the long term to more cooperation and deliberation.

There are a few pitfalls, of course. And overpopulation, higher demand, and higher use of resources may strain the earth really hard. Perhaps there'll be a depression as a result in there somewhere, especially considering the new economic system is founded on growth, growth, and more growth. But humanity has the power to solve things.
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Re: World Peace is Bullshit
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2009, 08:42:47 pm »
Some days you're almost sane, and then there are days like this. While the concept of the nation is indeed an important source of cultural identity, it is hardly the only source nor is it even the most important one. "Look to history to get factual basis for that."

Dolt.

J, have you ever met a Sumerian? No. And you never will. You might find someone who can trace their roots back to Hammurabi or Gilgamesh(assuming he's a real person), but you'll never find someone who  identifies themselves with that culture.

Chances are, you'll never meet a Zoroastrian either, as there are only 115,000 remaining. Do we know the truth of the Kingdoms of Israel? Only if you believe the Old Testament.

These are important because they show my point. The Assyrians decimated, brutalized and assimilated the earliest Hebrews and Babylonians. Zoroastrianism was all but wiped off the face of the planet when Persia was conquered by Greece, Rome and then the first Muslims.

If you get rid of national borders, in about a hundred to two hundred years, there won't be an American culture or a Chinese culture or a Russian culture or a German culture, etc. They'll be dismantled in the name of universal appeal and assimilated. We'll have one "world" culture, and the rest will go to the museums.

This might be fine for peace, but it'll destroy any strain of unique identity in the world, and, as I've said, lead to a gray, dull, amorphous blob of sameness, and that's boring.

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Re: World Peace is Bullshit
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2009, 11:04:06 pm »
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This might be fine for peace, but it'll destroy any strain of unique identity in the world, and, as I've said, lead to a gray, dull, amorphous blob of sameness, and that's boring.

Not unless there are aliens!

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Re: World Peace is Bullshit
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2009, 11:29:56 pm »
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This might be fine for peace, but it'll destroy any strain of unique identity in the world, and, as I've said, lead to a gray, dull, amorphous blob of sameness, and that's boring.

They wouldn't necessarily freely mix, and neither should culture or art be regarded as unchanging golden standards, or free from criticism. So, two things:

  • The premise is wrong; assimilation won't necessarily happen. The best evidence is that of independence and secession movements in modern history—a hundred years ago, the Slavic states were unified in amorphous empires and states. Now, they're all fragmentary independent states, with Kosovo recently joining the club. Also, in countries unified from several culturally distinct groups like Germany, regional homes of some of the cultures still display and maintain those cultures. Even the tiny Czech Republic is divided into two little groups of people and slang dialect.
  • Culture is not unchanging, nor should be free from criticism. Some culture is traditional, yes, but much of culture is mutable, despite the prevalent thinking that third world countries have arrived here from 2,000 years of the same traditions. Likewise, some cultural things are troublesome. In the United States, a culture of finance encourages extreme risk-taking and vain irresponsibility that damages the capitalistic system. In China, a culture of filial piety and unquestioning obedience to familial figures facilitates the PRC government's autocratic rule. Both are cultural quirks of the people of those countries, and both can be criticized and damage those countries, and could stand to be lost from these cultures and relegated to history.