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Crystal Zeal

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« on: April 24, 2005, 08:42:09 pm »
This is an idea I've been throwing around for years now, since one of my original times playing through the game.  In a few different places, you'll notice that a plain looking cat just...comes in.  In Ozzie's Fort in 600 AD, the cat comes in and flicks the switch that sends Ozzie plummeting to his doom.  Or to his basement.  Either way.  Also, I believe that you also see the cat in either the Tyrano Lair or Giant's Claw.  Something prehistoric related. I don't remember if the cat pops up anywhere else.  

Well, I originally thought that person the cat could be the Entity (this was more jokingly thought, however) or a tool of the Entity.  Since it has the same sprite as Crono's cat, I just kind of figured that it was.

Earlier today, while playing, though, another thought popped into my mind:  If it is Crono's cat, could it possible be because of the ending in which Crono's cat jumps through a gate?  (And then his mom, heh.)  From that point, could his cat have wandered around through times, thereby effecting previous events?

Now, does anyone remember which gate Crono's cat jumped through in the ending?  It was the last one, correct?  Was the last one leading to 600 AD?  Since I think it is the Giant's Claw where the cat pops up, that would make sense -- both that and Ozzie's fort are located in 600 AD.  

What do you guys think?  Plausible or not?

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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2005, 09:02:03 pm »
Hehhe that sounds funny.

But if the cat jumped into the portal and went to 65,000,000BC or 600AD, wouldn't there be an infinite loop to the situation because that means even if Crono completes the mission, the cat will always be in those time lines, and even in his own until the end of his mission. I think Time Bastard would take effect.

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2005, 09:45:42 pm »
the time bastard, and the other general rules of time travel make that impossible.

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2005, 10:29:53 pm »
How so?  I don't really know much about time travel, I must admit.

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2005, 11:09:33 pm »
Well, time in the Chrono series is linear. Paradoxes are out of the question. Thus, the cat couldn't be around in time before it even entered the Gate.

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2005, 11:49:41 pm »
I do believe that is Crono's cat in 65 million BC and 600 AD, but it is not something we should take seriously.  We can assume the cat is from a previous timeline (i. e. it time travelled before Crono did) to rectify any causality problems.

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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2005, 11:52:39 pm »
yeah, but that is just groundless assumtion.  For all we know, those places where the cat shows up could just be angry cats addicted to dropping people into pits.

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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2005, 02:30:23 pm »
The cat would have went to the future, since Robo was the last one to leave. Unless it went to the end of time (which is more proabable).

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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2005, 02:34:03 pm »
i cant remmber, is that same gate open the entire time?  or does it close after each one goes into it?

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2005, 02:35:17 pm »
Same gate, which is why it probably went to the End of Time.

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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2005, 02:38:39 pm »
And I'm guessing the characters went back in order of Ayla, Magus, Frog, Robo?

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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2005, 02:43:29 pm »
Ayla, Frog, Magus, Robo, I think.

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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2005, 12:19:53 am »
okay, i can see how you say it would have ended up at the end of time...

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2005, 06:32:46 am »
I like that thought, that Crystal Zeal might be right and perhaps all those cats really are one and the same: Crono's cat. That would be witty. But I like it the other way, too, that none of those other cats are Crono's and cats are simply a vital component of the planet and of the space-time continuum in general. =)

To those who are using this "Time Bastard" idea to disprove the conjecture, I don't buy it. Good theories explain and predict behavior, as opposed to saying that real events should not be able to happen. Since the idea that all those cats are the same cat beloning to Crono is unproven, and since the Time Bastard theory is also unproven, the best we can say is that the two proposals do not mesh, and that at least one of them is inaccurate.

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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2005, 02:50:12 pm »
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Time Bastard Theorem
ZeaLitY, GrayLensman

Suppose an entity X exists on timeline Y.

If X time travels from time A to time B, such that B < A; for time > B, Y is sent into the DBT, and Y' is created, containing X'.

For time > A, two identical entities X and X' will exist in Y'.

Conservation of Energy requires that only one entity X or X' exist.

Therefore, X' will be expunged from Y' at time A, and sent into the DBT.


one theory violates physics, the other doesnt.  That should be enough to make the Time Bastard more accurate than the other.