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The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« on: March 07, 2009, 09:53:38 am »
Yeah, actually,  I never took it seriously.
But recently I started to think maybe there are some reasons why Serge has a memory from the future?

1. It has something to do with the Record of FATE.

2. Someone "sent" the dream to him.

3. Like the ending, in which Serge still has his memory of the adventure.

So, any ideas?
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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2009, 08:39:36 pm »
I always just thought it was general precognition, and nothing more than that. After all, if time travel is prevalent throughout the series, visions of the future would not be that big of a jump in logic.

But who knows? Maybe someone can come up with an explanation that is more creative than that. Eske? Thought? I'm much too lazy.

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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2009, 04:23:18 pm »
I'm not recalling that. Could you describe it a little, to jog my memory?

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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2009, 04:31:30 pm »
It was the very first scene of the game. Serge has a dream of Fort Dragonia, where he makes his way through eventually entering the room where he would confront Lynx later on. He wakes up at this point. You are made to believe that it was a real dream and a real example of precognition or something, because (IIRC) when you reach Fort Dragonia for real later on, Serge hesitates at the entrance as if remembering it from his dream.

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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2009, 04:49:24 pm »
Ah yes, and here I was trying to remember a short video dream squence.

Hmm... no idea, but I'll give it more thought.

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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2009, 12:10:39 pm »
Well, the Records of Fate were supposed to be giving orders to people, so it's quite possible that it was an order for Serge to travel through the fort.

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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2009, 10:21:34 am »
Yeah, been thinking about it and I still have no idea. Closest I can come up with is that since he's touched the Frozen Flame and traveled to the Sea of Eden, he get special visions of the future.

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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2009, 10:49:51 am »
Maybe it's the fact that since Serge is "supposed" to have died in the original timeline, when coupled with his role as the Arbiter, makes for a weird scenario involving him. Perhaps Schala was guiding him even.

Too many viable options for it, but there's very little to work with.

Here's my thoughts on the Frozen Flame thought by, well, Thought (heh):

Since prior to Serge's survival (i.e., the split point) both Another World and Home World have the same events, in both worlds Serge interacted with the Frozen Flame and became its Arbiter. Since the events which cause this to occur include Schala reaching out after hearing his cries, it may have been possible for her to interact through Lavos (and by extension, the Frozen Flame which is a splinter of it), and therefore interact with Serge. Extremely indirect I know. Perhaps she gave him a piece of her power or something like that, or an idea of what was going to happen.

If Kid is a clone of Schala, then if you were to follow the above paragraph to its conclusion, perhaps when Kid saved Serge, she inadvertently set off a chain reaction which left Serge with gaining things like this dream of the future. Something similar to the fact that Kid, being a clone of Schala and therefore somewhat similar (if not an exact clone, but the nature of how well the clone was made is debateable as Schala made Kid after she had already merged with Lavos, correct?), and also coming into close contact with Serge when she saved his life, might have triggered some sort of reaction to give him the dream.

Either that, or it's like watching a cold opening from a television show that makes you want to keep watching (or in this case, playing).


EDIT: Serge has the dream in Home World, but then the events happen in Another World, right? Perhaps that's a big factor into what is going on with this dream.

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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2009, 12:15:03 pm »
Funny Serge even told Kid about the dream.

Kid:
   What...?
   Ya had a strange dream?
   You say ya might end up
   hurtin' me!?
   
Kid:
   Git off it!
   Don't make me laugh!
   She'll be right, mate.
   I don't go down that
   easy, ya know?

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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2009, 06:48:03 pm »
Funny Serge even told Kid about the dream.

Kid:
   What...?
   Ya had a strange dream?
   You say ya might end up
   hurtin' me!?
   
Kid:
   Git off it!
   Don't make me laugh!
   She'll be right, mate.
   I don't go down that
   easy, ya know?


What the...? Where does she say that?

As for the dream, I recall there was a save title for that particularl level. Anyone still remember what it was?

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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2009, 06:58:13 pm »
An Ancient Fort-
Chasing phantoms in one's dreams...

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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2009, 07:48:23 pm »
It was totally a dream from FATE.  It was setting the events in motion... After all, FATE wanted to get to the Frozen Flame and knew that Serge was the Arbiter.  Perhaps it was the true "inciting incident" that sparked the adventure, instead of the fateful dimensional cross at Opassa Beach.

I never looked at it that way before, but it sort of makes sense to me now...

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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2009, 08:41:12 pm »
It was totally a dream from FATE.  It was setting the events in motion... After all, FATE wanted to get to the Frozen Flame and knew that Serge was the Arbiter.  Perhaps it was the true "inciting incident" that sparked the adventure, instead of the fateful dimensional cross at Opassa Beach.

I never looked at it that way before, but it sort of makes sense to me now...

How does it set things in motion? Knowing he might end up killing Kid, Serge is probably a bit reluctant at the idea of following Kid around. This is implied by utunnel's quote above, and it also explains why Serge can choose not to "save" Kid from the Hydra poison in Guldove (he might have thought that trying to save her would make things even worse).

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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2009, 01:43:28 am »
That seems logical enough, but I wonder more why he had the dream. It's too big of a coincedence for Serge to be just dreaming about everything that's gonna happen to him in the future. Did someone give him the dream? Or was it more like a vision then a dream?

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Re: The Prologue of CC(Serge's Dream)
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2009, 03:28:49 pm »
It was totally a dream from FATE.  It was setting the events in motion... After all, FATE wanted to get to the Frozen Flame and knew that Serge was the Arbiter.  Perhaps it was the true "inciting incident" that sparked the adventure, instead of the fateful dimensional cross at Opassa Beach.

I never looked at it that way before, but it sort of makes sense to me now...

Makes sense. It introduces Serge to Kid, giving him (and the player) a reason to be interested in this random person with a bad accent who saves him. One might well say that Serge was following his dreams when he followed Kid.

... which actually might point more to Belthasar.