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Daniel Krispin

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« on: March 30, 2005, 02:47:30 am »
I don't know if this has been brought up before, and likely most people have noticed it, but I just thought I'd say it anyway. I just noticed today that, when you defeat Lynx in Fort Dragonia, you get 666g. Like I said, a minor little allusion that's probably been brought up before, but thought I'd mention regardless as a real world influence.

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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2005, 12:52:28 pm »
Likewise I think Magus' HP when you fight him in his castle is 6666 (I know, one 6 too many...).

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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2005, 12:52:42 pm »
In the Ocean Palace, the lackeys Trasher and Lasher have 666 of HP (just a curiousity).

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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2005, 04:37:21 pm »
I've added this to the RWI article.

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2005, 10:34:45 pm »
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Likewise I think Magus' HP when you fight him in his castle is 6666 (I know, one 6 too many...).


A nice bit of symbolic slight of hand, given that we later learn that Magus has more hatred for the Beast than any other character in the game.

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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2005, 11:58:45 pm »
Malus = Evil
Magus = Evil

Malus means all bad in Latin, Magus is a bad person?  Coincidence?

Yeah well anyway, i personally think EVERY bad event had ties to those terrible numbers.  My first point, the Fall of Zeal, could have happened at 6:06:0X (which would have actually been 18:06:0X, X replacing the 6). When Lavos came from beneath the earth, June 6th 199X-- 6:06:0X...yeah basically

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2005, 12:51:37 am »
Actually, Magus is also Latin: it means 'wise man', and itself is derived from Persian. In some later ways it came to mean a sorcerer, however.

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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2005, 01:35:00 am »
I'd like to take this time to point out that the number of the Beast has recently been discovered to be 616.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast_(numerology)

Looks like there was a mistranlation along the way.

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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2005, 01:47:23 am »
Did anybody add the crosses in the PSX ending to the RWI article?  Last time I checked it, it still says there aren't any crosses in the series, which isn't true.

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2005, 02:58:01 am »
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I'd like to take this time to point out that the number of the Beast has recently been discovered to be 616.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast_(numerology)

Looks like there was a mistranlation along the way.


Well, considering the figurative nature of that book anyway, it changes little either way, I should think. I still refers to the events of Peter's lifetime, for the most part.

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2005, 06:57:39 pm »
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Actually, Magus is also Latin: it means 'wise man', and itself is derived from Persian. In some later ways it came to mean a sorcerer, however.


Very true, and from Magus, Magii became the plural form, and is where we get 'magic' from :).  Latin is so odd, god bless our ancestors

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2005, 07:40:25 pm »
And, if you really want to get down to it, Magus is essentially 'Mage'. It is only that the former is the Latin version, wheras the second is the Anglisized one. Thus Magus could just as easily, and in an English speaking culture in a colloquial setting, be called 'Mage'.

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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2005, 10:34:11 pm »
Verdadissimo (Extremely True)

Sorry for this useless post.

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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2005, 02:30:58 am »
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I'd like to take this time to point out that the number of the Beast has recently been discovered to be 616.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast_(numerology)

Looks like there was a mistranlation along the way.


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Now with the speculation that the number 616 is the real number of the beast, it has come to light that 616 is the country number and area code of Canberra, the Capital of Australia, and home to the nation's Government.


lol my goverment is evil :lol:

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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2005, 09:14:47 pm »
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I'd like to take this time to point out that the number of the Beast has recently been discovered to be 616.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast_(numerology)

Looks like there was a mistranlation along the way.


Come to think of it, this is likely the mistake. Remember that Wikipedia is open source, meaning that anyone can post. I am near fully certain that either who ever posted it was mistaken, or it was the document that was in error.

The thing is, one must look beyond the stigma that is attached to the number 666, and to the reason why it is considered bad - if one does so, it proves that the likelihood of it actually being 616 is very small indeed. If it were simply a number given in Revelations, then fine, it is plausable there could have been a mistranslation. However, 666 has always had meaning in that region, for thousands of years. You see, 7 is the number of perfection or compeletion. 6 is one short of perfection, and thus flawed and evil. What does Jesus say? Forgive someone seven times seven. In other words, forgive them fully; figurative language. Thus also when it says in Revelations, that let they with wisdom interperet the number of the beast, which is 666, it is also figurative. It is three times short of perfection; in other words, absolutely flawed. In the figurative form and style of Revelations, a number such as 616 would be meaningless and useless, and not fit in with the rest of the numbers. I'll have to check my Bible to see all the other such numbers precisely, but are there not seven seals? The number seven again. I think the new Jerusalem has seven gates as well. Such language figures again and again.

Essentially, one must look at the reason and rationale behind this, understand why such a thing was written. It is no simple number, nor even a code. If it were, this theory would work. But seeing as that was not the form of Revelations, I highly doubt that this 616 thing is anything more than a fringe theory. I'll still stay with 666 as the orginal intent. So be careful: not many people know the original style and forms and reason, so it's very easy for them just to say something like this, and make it seem all good and fine. But there are indeed other things to consider, beyond simple copyists errors.

As an afterthought, it is indeed true that there have been copyists errors in the past in the Bible. This is almost certainly not one of them - as it makes no plausable sense to be otherwise - but take the name Jehova, which never actually appears in the Bible, and only exists through mistranslation. Take the name Yahweh, and write it in the old form, without vowels. This yields YHWH. Now, place it beside the adjective 'most high', Adonai, and take the vowels from Adonai, for parallellism substituting them into YHWH. This yields Yahowah, more or less, Anglisized with a v for a w, and a J for a Y, as Jehova. This is what the Mazoritic scholars did some thousand years ago, inadvertantly causing a confusion that lasted until recent times, when someone noticed the parallellism, and that Jehova - which had caused quite the confusion, as it was no known Hebrew word - was no real word at all, but a forgotten quirk of ancient scholars.
Oh, and if there are any Jews here that are offended by my using the name of God, tell me and I will promptly remove it.