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The Nature of the Dragon Gods and the Dragonian Elements
« on: February 09, 2005, 02:27:46 am »
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[Belthasar]
The Dragon Gods were originally a singular plasma life-form... ...A living accumulation of
the planet's energy! Originally it was a biological machine used to control the powers
of nature in the future society of the Reptites. In order to control the natural energy
itself, FATE divided the one Dragon God entity up into 6 weaker plasma life-forms...

The Dragon Gods were originally a machine created by the Dragonians to control the natural energy of the planet, which I presume is related to the use of Elements.  In the Reptite dimension, there were no elemental colors.  The natural energy processed by the Dragon God encompasses all properties of the natural world.

When FATE separated the Dragon Gods into six entities, the powers of the Dragon God over the natural energy of the planet was divided in an arbitrary way.  The natural energy used by Elements is thus divided into six colors.

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[Crono]
[The Chrono Cross] has the power to draw on the sounds of the six colored Elements to produce
a healing harmony... It has the power to combine the sounds of the world into one
melody...

[Marle]
The Chrono
Cross... It alone can combine the sounds of the planet that the six types of Elements
produce!

Harle was a product of all the Dragon Gods, and represents the original state of the Dragon God, controlling a combination of all natural forces, the Chrono Cross element.

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Re: The Nature of the Dragon Gods and the Dragonian Elements
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2005, 08:21:59 am »
Quote from: GrayLensman
In the Reptite dimension, there were no elemental colors.

Quote from: GrayLensman
When FATE separated the Dragon Gods into six entities, the powers of the Dragon God over the natural energy of the planet was divided in an arbitrary way.  The natural energy used by Elements is thus divided into six colors.

I don't see any evidence for this. Is this just your theory?

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The Nature of the Dragon Gods and the Dragonian Elements
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2005, 12:26:45 pm »
The line of thought goes like this (wow, everything looks nice on this university LCD).

Quote from: Ghost
Originally, El Nido was nothing but ocean.  The El Nido Archipelago is purely
artificial, created by FATE. It was a remodeling plane that took place 10000 years ago.
A plan to include island, blessed with nature, in the sea of El Nido. The main island of
El Nido, Earth Dragon Isle, Water Dragon Isle, Black Dragon Isle... The development of
Elements, using the energy of the natural world... The distortion of memory terminal
devices called the Records of Fate that could survey and guide people's lives... The
research center staff, who had their memories erased, left the center, and began a life
outside amidst nature. This is how FATE's paradise came into existence.


This states that Chronopolis originated the Elements. Now, with that statement in mind, also consider that El Nido was terraformed and created by Chronopolis, and that this fact includes Power Spots. This, in conjunction with Chronopolis's dividing up the Dragon God into six beings, suggests that the entire Elements system was entirely concocted by Chronopolis. The instance of the term "Chrono Cross" being directly present in Dragonian Lore also suggests that Belthasar and Chronopolis were responsible for these prophecies, and thus exercised control over the Elements.

There's my evidence. The quote about the Reptite Dimension does not reference individual Elements, and neither are they tied with the collective "Dragon God" elsewhere. It thus might be simpler to say it was a complete machine, divided up to represent the Elements of Chronopolis's creation; GrayLensman's piece about the Chrono Cross being all the Elements in unison and thus a heark back to the original Dragon God machine also neatly ties it up.

Lastly, all of this raises the question about Dragonian history. Considering the magnitude and power of the fighters of Chronopolis and Terra Tower, the war was probably very brief. Dragonians that survived (probably memory-wiped, so they could co-exist) seem to have settled El Nido with the brainwashed humans in peace, perhaps scribing of the Polis War (e.g. lore about the sealing up of the Frozen Flame). Utilizing their own skills and knowledge, and given controlling actions and directives through the Records of Fate, they generated Elements and built holy spots around El Nido. I'm not quite sure when they were made extinct, due to the common wackiness of Chrono series succession. Direa states that the Dragon Tear was given to the Guldove shamans long ago, and was passed through successive titleholders. Under the Guardia XXIII/Toma XIII system, "successive" could be an appropriate term for a hundred years time, allowing the extinction to occur with the onset of the mainlanders from Porre in 920 A.D. The words of the demihumans seem to confirm this, but the fact that Dragonian ruins and inscriptions are said to have eroded away as if they were ancient constructions leans toward an older extinction. Then again, some humans and demihumans still revel in Dragonian-rooted celebrations.

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The Nature of the Dragon Gods and the Dragonian Elements
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2005, 03:50:10 pm »
Let's contrast these two claims:
Quote from: Explorer
Ancient lore reveals that
the Dragonites knew of
certain land formations
they called Power Spots.

There they are said to
have used the natural
energy of the planet to
generate Elements.

Quote from: Ghost
The development of
Elements, using the energy of the natural world...


The Explorer said that the Dragonians generated Elements from the power spots. The ghost said that FATE developed the Elements. Neither references an origin to the elemental colors. We can't say for sure whether the division of the Dragon God caused the division of the colors, or whether the division of colors guided the division of the Dragon God ("cut along the dotted lines").

Now, as to the apparent contradiction here, there are two simple explanations:

1) They both developed Elemental technology independantly. (Doubtful)

2) FATE examined the Dragonian technology and used this to develop her own Elements.

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The Nature of the Dragon Gods and the Dragonian Elements
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2005, 02:35:05 am »
My money's on 2.

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The Nature of the Dragon Gods and the Dragonian Elements
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2005, 06:16:21 am »
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The Explorer said that the Dragonians generated Elements from the power spots. The ghost said that FATE developed the Elements. Neither references an origin to the elemental colors. We can't say for sure whether the division of the Dragon God caused the division of the colors, or whether the division of colors guided the division of the Dragon God ("cut along the dotted lines").

Now, as to the apparent contradiction here, there are two simple explanations:

1) They both developed Elemental technology independantly. (Doubtful)

2) FATE examined the Dragonian technology and used this to develop her own Elements.

Elements could have been developed by the Dragonians living in El Nido under the control of FATE.  These Dragonians were incorporated into FATE's utopia (Records of FATE located in Fort Dragonia, Dragonian structures incorporated into teraformed El Nido islands.)  Elements were based on the operating principles of the Dragon, but they did not exist in the Reptite dimension.  Only the Dragon Tear (Chrono Cross) would have originated from the Reptite dimension.