Election Thread 2008

[Boo the Gentleman Caller]

Socialism is impossible.  Human nature gets in the way.  We are a self-serving, mostly independent species and for socialism to work we would have to have true equality.  That means everyone in the environ would have to perform the same equivalent of workload and receive the same amount of return. 

After working in Fairfield, AL (a ghetto/slum area) I am so adamant against socialism.  So many of the people who receive social security don't need it - trust me, I see it every day where I work.  What the government needs is to overhall the social security program completely.  Instead the government needs to implement a national healthcare system so the poor can have healthcare.  Then, the social security checks that are sent out can be reduced. 

Some people get social security checks bigger than my biweekly paycheck so they can go buy fast food and go to Blockbuster.  They file for unemployment and waste our taxpayer money.  Now this isn't always the case, nor will I even say it's the majority, but being in the actual conditions have shown me how naive the rest of the world is.

PS - YAY!  FAUSTWOLF IS BACK!

[Radical_Dreamer]

Socialism is impossible.  Human nature gets in the way.  We are a self-serving, mostly independent species and for socialism to work we would have to have true equality.  That means everyone in the environ would have to perform the same equivalent of workload and receive the same amount of return.

That's not socialism, but thanks for playing.

After working in Fairfield, AL (a ghetto/slum area) I am so adamant against socialism.  So many of the people who receive social security don't need it - trust me, I see it every day where I work.  What the government needs is to overhall the social security program completely.  Instead the government needs to implement a national healthcare system so the poor can have healthcare.  Then, the social security checks that are sent out can be reduced.

Well alright then.

My voting was done weeks ago, since I vote via absantee ballot. Best way to do it, it lets you take the time to research issues, and not have a particular day to actually do your voting. Good thing, too, since the weather today...not so good. I do find it a little odd that I got my ballot before I got my voter information packet, but my patience paid off, so I was able to make an at least somewhat educated vote.

[FaustWolf]

Just practicing the [img] forum tag. Really. The choice of picture has nothing to do with the fact that Barack Obama is the NEXT FREAKIN' PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

Gotta hand it to McCain though, he made an outstanding concession speech IMHO.

[Lakonthegreat]

That's not scary. It's awesome!

God I hope that happens.

Why do you think it is awesome?

He probably supports McCain. Anyway the end is nigh...

I didn't necessarily support McCain, but I have to vote with my heart. Being a strict Constitutionalist I couldn't honestly vote for Barack Obama.

[nightmare975]

DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT!

Well, we all make mistakes, once we start seeing change and realize the mistakes we made, we'll all know what went wrong...

For the record I wanted neither, I was for Romney.

[V_Translanka]

Holy crap, I didn't know there was an Oprah Man! Oh the hijinks he must get in...

[nightmare975]

Remember these words.

So this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause.

I hope no one else has said that.

[ZeaLitY]

Calling Obama "socialist" would make every country in Europe laugh. The Democratic party is virtually right-wing compared to the rest of the world. The entire socialism charge was just a bullshit conservative scare-word. If you want "socialism" in the context the Republicans use the word (and their connotation is more akin to fascism or totalitarianism), look no further than Bush's executive orders and power-grabs, Cheney's abuses of power, American torture of prisoners, assisted rape of the economy, belligerent foreign policy and warmongering, phone and communication wiretaps, the suspension of Habeas Corpus, Christian dominionism, etc. ad nauseum. I mean, Jesus, the Republicans even want to control the bodies of women and what goes on in the bedroom of consenting adults. Sarah Palin was heir apparent to this like some horrible fusion of Bush and Cheney. Go ahead and read the ethics report; her husband especially was an outright stalker when it came to trying to get that guy fired. Such blatant disregard for ethics and Constitutional law would fit right in with the last eight years. Sarah Palin can't even define socialism. Oh, and remind me again how social conservatism fulfills the first amendment's guarantee of freedom of religion?

And as someone who will soon hold a Master's degree in business, I think it's laughable how free enterprise gets a total free pass from self-titled libertarians, conservatives, and economists, while any attempt at regulation or government oversight is billed as communism. Business can be just as evil or worse than government. The creators of derivative securities, hedge fund managers, and other corporatists are not saints without blame in the current economic crisis. Some people are so obsessed with demonizing regulation that they look the other way while a plutocracy silently forms.

Anyway,

THE LONG NIGHTMARE IS COMING TO AN END





The religious right is waning. The anti-intellectual reign of executive abuse is drawing to a close. And we were there.

[Vehek]

I feel disappointed about the current results for the propositions in my state (California.)

[nightmare975]

No, the end has just begun,

    United forever in friendship and labour,
    Our mighty republics will ever endure.
    The great United States will live through the ages.
    The dream of a people their fortress secure.

    Long live our Nation, built by the people's mighty hand.
    Long live our People, united and free.
    Strong in our friendship tried by fire. Long may our stars and stripes inspire,
    Shining in glory for all men to see.

    Through days dark and stormy where our forefathers led us
    Our eyes saw the bright sun of freedom above
    and Obama our Leader with faith in the People,
    Inspired us to build up the land that we love.

    Long live our Nation, built by the people's mighty hand.
    Long live our People, united and free.
    Strong in our friendship tried by fire. Long may our stars and stripes inspire,
    Shining in glory for all men to see.

    We fought for the future, destroyed the invader,
    and brought to our homeland the Laurels of Fame.
    Our glory will live in the memory of nations
    and all generations will honour her name.

    Long live our Nation, built by the people's mighty hand.
    Long live our People, united and free.
    Strong in our friendship tried by fire. Long may our stars and stripes inspire,
    Shining in glory for all men to see.

[Agent 12]

Obama isn't perfect.....not by any means.

But he's better than the alternative....he's definitely better than the alternatives vice....

and...even if you disagree with all his policies he is a good face for america.  I feel like we need a young energetic man to represent us right now.  Very kennedyesque.


--JP

[nightmare975]

Very kennedyesque.

You might not want to compare him with kennedy...

[Jutty]

I was for Huckabee. And anyone who thinks McCain doesn't put the country first and hasn't proven himself is delusional. Also I really don't believe in Obama that much, but he's our next president so I will support him and hope for the best. I just feel he promises way more than he can deliver and I just feel strange having a president with Hussein in his name. He always embraced his Kenyan heritage more than his American heritage hence him taking that name and I just feel he is no where near as patriotic as John McCain. Will the economy be better under Obama, probably. It's just hard to not respect a man who has always put his country first like McCain has.

[placidchap]

Socialism is impossible.  Human nature gets in the way.  We are a self-serving, mostly independent species

Socialism is impossible...if the world was an every man for himself kind of place but...  Humans are a species that thrive in societies.  We are social creatures.  We shrivel up and go mad if we are alone.  We need each other and human to human contact.  And lending a hand in that contact, whether it is a handshake for a business deal or a hand to help them on their feet, is far better than kicking them to the ground, at least in my opinion.  Capitalism is not sustainable.

I just feel he promises way more than he can deliver

He is a politician, remember.

I just feel strange having a president with Hussein in his name.

It is just a name.  A name does not automatically peg someone having certain ties or beliefs.

He always embraced his Kenyan heritage more than his American heritage hence him taking that name and I just feel he is no where near as patriotic as John McCain.

He is being true to his roots, so what?  It seems I have been embracing my Scottish heritage more than my American heritage because I have been walking around with the "Mc" in my last name, all these years...how  unpatriotic of me....oh wait...actions speak louder than words.

Will the economy be better under Obama, probably. It's just hard to not respect a man who has always put his country first like McCain has.

I believe fixing the economy is a tad bit more important than waving the American Flag around.

[teaflower]

My mom voted for Bush twice and she didn't like him. Guess who she voted?
McCain.
Why can't 16 year olds vote? In two years, the adults this year will have dictated who leads my life as an 18 year old until I'm 20. And then, when I'm 20 in 2012, THE WORLD WILL END.
If I could've voted, I, like the rest of Massachusetts, would have voted Obama.