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« Reply #105 on: April 09, 2005, 08:00:26 am »
Yup it surprised me too, I always thought an amulet was supposed to be worn around the neck...

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« Reply #106 on: April 09, 2005, 11:57:12 am »
It makes him seem cooler. Plus if he had it on his neck, his clock would either cover it or be ontop so people can destroy it or something.

Plus it seems to be fashionable like how people wear chains in their pockets :P

Also if he wore it around the neck, he'd look to noble and honorable, which he really kinda isn't >.> Even though I like Magus.

GOD WITH PICS LIKE THAT I WISH THERE WAS A CHRONO TRIGGER ANIME! CHRNO CRUSADE SUX >.>

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« Reply #107 on: April 09, 2005, 02:35:20 pm »
Ya learn something new everyday. I might have to start studying all of the pictures that are out there just to see if there is anything else that can be figured from them.

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« Reply #108 on: April 09, 2005, 06:14:17 pm »
I still don't understand that funky metal band thingy on his right leg though...What's up with that?

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« Reply #109 on: April 10, 2005, 03:39:22 am »
That is kinda odd, I wonder what that could be?

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« Reply #110 on: April 10, 2005, 06:17:43 am »
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I still don't understand that funky metal band thingy on his right leg though...What's up with that?

I think it's also supposed to make him look fashionable. That's typically a Toriyama stuff anyway. Saiyan soldiers also wear those kind of bands in Dragon Ball :

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« Reply #111 on: April 10, 2005, 03:13:42 pm »
Ah Raditz, shame we only saw him for the first few episodes.

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« Reply #112 on: April 28, 2005, 12:36:14 am »
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Janus: The black wind...


This makes me think even more so that Dalton does have some effect on the Rise of Porre; the black wind Janus and Schala refer to could very well be the evil that Lavos used to taint the queen (and Dalton indirectly), and Norris is the captain of the "Black Wind".. i dunno if there was supposed to be a connection, but it's too coincidental for there not to have been a connection (even if subconscious by the writers of the script)


And the amulet in the Magus picture, to me, seems to be hanging from his neck, but it's really long and just looks like it's hanging to the side of his waist


and is there any official reason why the character art of CT reflects the art of DBZ?

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« Reply #113 on: April 28, 2005, 01:10:00 am »
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Janus: The black wind...


This makes me think even more so that Dalton does have some effect on the Rise of Porre; the black wind Janus and Schala refer to could very well be the evil that Lavos used to taint the queen (and Dalton indirectly), and Norris is the captain of the "Black Wind".. i dunno if there was supposed to be a connection, but it's too coincidental for there not to have been a connection (even if subconscious by the writers of the script)


Well, I think 'Black Wind' can be taken as a pretty common form of expression. Likely they were thinking of it from CT, but I doubt they intend there to be any direct influence. This 'black wind' is not a thing, per say, it is just  feeling. Sort of that chill one gets for no reason, or the feeling of darkness heroes get with prophecy in the old tales. 'but Luthien remained behind at the gates of Menegroth. A dark shadow fell upon her and it seemed to her that the sun had sickened and turned black'... a little quote from some High Fantasy. Very good stuff. But my point is, it's a similar sort of thing. It is a feeling of dread, a whisper of foreboding and foreshadowing prophecy of doom. Likely it is a common metaphor in the Chrono world for impending death, thus such a group as the Porre secret service chose it as their title. After all, what did those who assassinated the Archduke Ferdinand call themselves? The Black Hand or something like that? And that's real life! It's the game alluding to itself, but little more.

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« Reply #114 on: April 28, 2005, 10:36:55 pm »
Lavos didn't really 'taint' anyone...Zeal was just insane.

Also, the 'official explanation' is that Akira Toriyama, character designer for Chrono Trigger, also did all of the art for Dragonball and the beginning and ending runs of Dragonball Z. Akira underlings did the rest (similar to the anime cut-scenes in FFChronicles, also done by underlings).

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« Reply #115 on: April 28, 2005, 11:32:48 pm »
what a dream job... getting paid to have underlings to your job...

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« Reply #116 on: April 29, 2005, 12:49:19 am »
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Lavos didn't really 'taint' anyone...Zeal was just insane.

That might still be a matter for debate. I would say that the hints at power that the prospect of immortality presented was what drove her to her madness. Power, after all, does corrupt one, even those of surpassing nobility of mind. Look at MacBeth: the noble soldier through his over-vaulting ambition, and the suggesting words of three hags, slays his king, takes the crown, and proceeds to kill his best friend. And then the tragic hero is destroyed in his pride by his own deeds as the words of prophecy fall into dreadful place before his eyes. Power destroyed him. It is not the only destroyer of course - love destroyed Romeo, and hesitation Hamlet - but is the most sublime one. I would say that if the manipulations of Lavos were not direct, to the Queen like the One Ring of fabled lore, then it was simple the taste of power that grew to bitter madness in her mind.

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« Reply #117 on: April 29, 2005, 04:19:23 pm »
I had just heard that in more of the original text it wasn't hinted that Lavos had anything to do with her insanity...I dunno...Damn, we need that retranslation! :?

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« Reply #118 on: April 29, 2005, 05:38:03 pm »
the magical energy of Zeal (the kingdom, not just the queen) came from the Mammon Machine, which took energy from Lavos, right? (i don't remember since it's been a while since i've played CT)

if that's true, then i think the dark energy of Lavos is enough to 'taint'

EDIT: i forgot that this was the Magus thread, so i'll say it now
The masamune was forged from the Dreamstone, which existed before Lavos (the entity's version of the Frozen Flame?), and Magus' power originated from Lavos, so the Masamune (a sword from the entity) could weaken Magus' magic power, which was Lavos'. However, i think that the game mentions or hints at Magus' power's being much stronger than normal Zealians', and grew mainly after being away from the Mammon Machine and Lavos' magic, so it's possible that Frog's using the Masamune to weaken Magus' magic (which is required storyline-wise, right?) could've 'purified' Magus of Lavos' energy, thus making the Masamune not especially effective against Magus when you can fight him again

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« Reply #119 on: April 29, 2005, 06:04:22 pm »
But the Mammon Machine itself is also made of Dreamstone...The game makes it clear that Dreamstone absorbs Magical energy (of one kind or another). But it doesn't say that the effects of the energy transference are negative in any way besides when the Masamune absorbs Magus' Magical defense, but that was just like cause and effect really. Perhaps something similar happens to the Zealians because of the Mammon Machine? But I don't think it hinders their sanity at all...