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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2008, 04:54:23 am »
I've also always wondered about why time seems to pass differently for you depending on the Era you are in. Perhaps Gates aren't connected in a 1:1 ratio. For example, for every minute of time the Gate in 1000 A.D. goes through, the Gate in 600 A.D. would go through 20 minutes. This would explain how Magus is able to ascend through the ranks of Zeal, which I personally believe would have taken longer than it does for Crono & co. to defeat Azala. Or why seemingly erroneous amounts of time seem to pass.

idk about that...

1) Magus shows himself as a prophet & uses his knowledge of the past to help him...You wouldn't think it'd take too many times of being spot on as to what was going to happen for Zeal to believe him.

2) Crono & Co. have to travel to Laruba in the forest, then hike up the Pteran cliff, then fly to the Reptite's castle...and THEN make their way through that place...then when they finally make it to Zeal, before they even get to Zeal Palace itself, they have quite a travel, especially since they don't know where anything is (unlike Magus, who would almost immediately realize where & when he was)...

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2008, 11:36:03 am »
But when Marle disappears through the telepod, in maybe no more than 10 minutes, Crono goes back as well. When he arrives, all of the townspeople know the Queen has been found. Gossip spreads fast, but it sure as heck doesn't spread quickly over the course of ten minutes to a whole town of people...

Back on topic, and going with what I said earlier about the Pendant merely making a reaction. Note that for Gates, one needs the key to be present. The Key then, must make the reaction occur, whether by creating some frequency or whatnot. It outputs energy. Then Pendant that Marle carries, has no energy after 13000 years. But provided with the energy, like from the telepod, it is able to release the same output, or something similar, as the Key.

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2008, 11:57:46 am »
But when Marle disappears through the telepod, in maybe no more than 10 minutes, Crono goes back as well. When he arrives, all of the townspeople know the Queen has been found. Gossip spreads fast, but it sure as heck doesn't spread quickly over the course of ten minutes to a whole town of people...

Back on topic, and going with what I said earlier about the Pendant merely making a reaction. Note that for Gates, one needs the key to be present. The Key then, must make the reaction occur, whether by creating some frequency or whatnot. It outputs energy. Then Pendant that Marle carries, has no energy after 13000 years. But provided with the energy, like from the telepod, it is able to release the same output, or something similar, as the Key.

If Marle was found almost immediately by search parties, then that would actually result in a substantial time difference. Marle directly escorted to the castle (undoubtedly through town, where people saw her and thought she was Queen Leene). Crono ppears, stumbles out of the canyon, searches door to do, eventually blunders to the castle, and finally finds Marle. It is possible that days passed between the two events. Certainly, at least 24 hours seem to have passed since Marle first stepped onto the telepod and when they all returned from 600AD.

As for Gates, one does not need a key. The gates are unstable; the key just makes them stable enough for convenient use.

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2008, 03:17:26 pm »
If I remember correctly, some citizens in 600 A.D. say something to the effect that the Queen was found in the mountains. This means that somebody was in the mountains when she appeared, and they recognized her as the Queen.

I've also always wondered about why time seems to pass differently for you depending on the Era you are in. Perhaps Gates aren't connected in a 1:1 ratio. For example, for every minute of time the Gate in 1000 A.D. goes through, the Gate in 600 A.D. would go through 20 minutes. This would explain how Magus is able to ascend through the ranks of Zeal, which I personally believe would have taken longer than it does for Crono & co. to defeat Azala. Or why seemingly erroneous amounts of time seem to pass.

Bah, I'm getting off topic. Perhaps the Gate Key is nothing more than an electromagnetic wave generator.  Just something to provide a reaction to the Gates. The Pendant is probably the same, in that a reaction with the energy of the Telepod causes the reaction, similar to metal in a microwave.

this somehow reminds me of the Dr. who episode entitled "The girl in the fireplace", where the Doctor and co. land on a 51st century ship. This ship also has something similar in commom to a Chronoverse time gate, namely the said fireplace, which is connected to 17th-18th century France. Now, time on the ship passes much slower than on the other side of the "gate", and Doctor & co. can literally see the years pass by.

In reality there's no way of knowing that time on both ends of a gateway passes at a 1:1 ratio at all, and since the time gates may not be 100% stable, then this time differential might change from one moment to another.

As a hypothesis on the necklace vs. the timepod, I have com up with this:

Most likely the timepod is made up of normal run-of-the-mill circuits. This most likely connects to the fact that ppl in 1000AD have fridges (they need circuitry to make sure the temperature i stable etc.). at least a part of the telepod MUST be some kind of a VERY powerful computer, since reassembling every single atom in an object correctly requires A LOT of computing power (billions to trillions of times the computers you use).

As you all may know an electromagnetic pulse strong enough can fry any given circuit in a computer. The dreamstone in the princess' necklace might have "enhanced" the telepod somehow. The Telepod has, as you all know, the ability to transport matter through space, but what if the "enhancements" from the dreamstone made it able to transport matter through time as well?

Now, if we look at Einstein's theory of relativity, space and time coexist in what is known as spacetime. The telepod might have ripped a hole in the spacetime as we know it, but in the process, it also ripped spacetime at nearby weak points in the fabric of spacetime throughout time itself, thereby creating the gates that the party travel through.

As for a more in-game theory, maybe Lucca took a shortcut while in the process of making research for and wile creating the timepod, she might have realised that the tecynology needed to evolve. This theory takes into account that we don't see COMPUTERS in 1000AD, so maybe she took the more "magical" approach by using dreamstone or another substance to enhance the already existing circuitry. The dreamstone/substance then reacted with the necklace, and the rest as we know is history.

As for the key, it must send out some kind of radiation or something else that make the gates (more or less) stable enough for safe travel. My guess is that by not using the key would rip Crono and co. apart if they were to travel through a gate vortex.

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2008, 10:58:04 pm »
Then again, we have no proof that the Dreamstone or any other magical substance was used in constructing the telepod. She would have to rely on other resources to do the job, such resources we have no knowledge of. But it is also highly curious that only Lucca and her alone in 100AD had the capability to build such advanced machinery. Taban, probably, but still unlikely. And she also fixed Robo!! Which we know is a highly sophisticated AI used a thousand years after her time!!

In a more realistic scenario, she would have had no knowledge of Robotics 101, and would have had left Robo in his rusting condition in 2300AD. Still, it's just an RPG, but that sort of explanation is not enough..

If Marle was found almost immediately by search parties, then that would actually result in a substantial time difference. Marle directly escorted to the castle (undoubtedly through town, where people saw her and thought she was Queen Leene). Crono ppears, stumbles out of the canyon, searches door to do, eventually blunders to the castle, and finally finds Marle. It is possible that days passed between the two events. Certainly, at least 24 hours seem to have passed since Marle first stepped onto the telepod and when they all returned from 600AD.

Well, it is highly possible, but we cant really be sure. Most games have unrealistic portrayals of time and scale, making inferences more difficult.

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2008, 02:10:11 pm »
But it is also highly curious that only Lucca and her alone in 100AD had the capability to build such advanced machinery. Taban, probably, but still unlikely. And she also fixed Robo!! Which we know is a highly sophisticated AI used a thousand years after her time!!

In a more realistic scenario, she would have had no knowledge of Robotics 101, and would have had left Robo in his rusting condition in 2300AD. Still, it's just an RPG, but that sort of explanation is not enough..

Lucca had already created Gato.

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2008, 09:13:08 pm »
Lucca had already created Gato.

Oh, yeah, i forgot about Gato.. But surely robo is more advanced than he is. Gato seems to function as some industrial robot, always following preset commands, and loops.. Robo is sentient, and can make decision for himself, by himself..
That is quite a big difference..

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2008, 01:09:42 am »
Lucca had already created Gato.

Oh, yeah, i forgot about Gato.. But surely robo is more advanced than he is. Gato seems to function as some industrial robot, always following preset commands, and loops.. Robo is sentient, and can make decision for himself, by himself..
That is quite a big difference..

Well at the same time one has to realize that while Robo's instruction set must be FAR more advanced than Gato's, the hardware part of him must be almost the same, just a lot smaller. Like comparing Univac to an EEPC. The parts are generally the same just on a MUCH smaller scale. Albeit we're not using punch cards anymore, but the same principle applies.

It's like taking someone who can take apart and rebuild a Chevy 350 V8 engine and setting a Corvette LS2 motor in front of them and expect them to diagnose and fix it. They'll be able to do it just because of their rudimentary knowledge of how a similar precursor works. I think the same principle could apply to Robo. She had built Gato from scrap material by herself. She knew the basic principles of robotics and therefore could apply her rudimentary knowledge to Robo's construction.

And as far as I saw in that cutscene, all she did was mess with some hardware. His software would have more than likely been intact. Without knowing the extent to which Robo was damaged prior to the gang finding him, we have no idea how much effort it took on Lucca's part to actually fix him. From what it looked like she was doing when she was fixing him, his power source was probably just damaged.

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2008, 05:55:02 am »
Besides, I brought that up because you had said she would have no knowledge of Robotics 101...last I figured even kiddies in Robotics 101 couldn't make something near as advanced as Gato...& do we know that Gato isn't sentient? Regardless, we're to believe that if nothing else, Lucca's a quick study...We also don't know exactly how long she had there to tinker with Robo, right? She could have studied some of the robots they busted up prior to meeting Robo as well.

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2008, 08:58:31 pm »
Alright then.. Still, the fact remains that there is a 999 year gap between those two machines. A simple study of busted up machinery, i think, would have not been enough to cover almost 10 centuries of advancement, thorough research and instruction (and adequate resources) would have been needed, even for all of Lucca's genius.. Lucca's fixing of robo who have been almost the same as Thomas Edison fixing an Intel microprocessor, and we know less than 200 years separate them both..

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2008, 09:09:04 pm »
Well there's a lot that doesn't go into consideration in Chrono Trigger... We don't see Chrono and friends eat, sleep, or dookie, for instance.  Such niceties are often overlooked in RPGs.  As such, it's completely plausible to assume that Lucca could have easily seen some sort of instruction manual for the R-series robots.  Also, note in the anime ending sequence of Chrono Trigger, as seen in Final Fantasy Chronicles, Lucca succeeds in creating a miniature, gray, steam-powered "mini-Robo".

I'm guessing this:

Pre-Chrono Trigger Lucca had a naturally advanced ability with mechanics.  She was able to build a simple robot that, although it lacked advanced AI algorithms, was capable of singing, dancing, and fighting (the fighting requiring some form of AI).  She also built the telepod, we must remember.  In 2300 AD she was able to use a computer with ease (although her experience was minimal to none), as well as "reverse engineer" the components of Robo enough to repair him.

Then, as we see in Chrono Cross, Lucca had been able to give Gato complete AI (as he spoke and "died" to Serge).  She also played a major role in Project Fate and the implementation of the Prometheus Lock for the Frozen Flame (actually the positronic brain of Robo, also known as Prometheus).

Obviously, due to continued time travel (most like with Balthasar and the Neo Epoch), Lucca was able to learn A LOT concerning technology and machinery in general, including advanced circuitry and AI parameters.

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2008, 12:10:37 am »
There's also the fact that Robo seems to be steam powered to be taken into consideration...We don't really know how advanced he really is. Technology in the Chrono World clearly advanced differently than it did in our world. It's perfectly reasonable to assume that Lucca knows enough robotics to at the very least fix Robo that first time...

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2008, 01:34:44 pm »
I theorized in another thread that, as the Telepod was transferring Marle throughout space, the pendant caused a reaction that exposed her throughout time - exactly as the Time Crash exposed Chronopolis.  She was then sucked back to 600 AD by something present in that timeline.  Knowing that Lucca helped Belthasar with FATE and Project Kid, that could be how Belthasar planned the Time Crash - by using technology from Lucca's telepod and a material like the Pendant (Dreamstone, or maybe the pendant itself), just on a much larger scale to expose the whole city.

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2008, 07:53:32 pm »
Well you see ingame that Lucca takes quite a lot of time fixing Robo. Probably an hour or something. Afterwards she says she wishes to never go through that again. So I guess, by putting her mind to the extreme, she somehow managed it. Lucca is quite amazing. She created Gato, the Telepod, the Gatekey, and at least one Time Egg. Lynx even goes as far as to call her a mad scientist in Cross. Really, she shouldn't be underestimated. I'd bet she's at least as intelligent and smart as Belthasar.

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Re: Telepod - Any Known Materials?
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2008, 10:11:26 pm »
Perhaps... a descendant of Belthasar?