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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2008, 04:14:54 pm »
Yes fewer events, like dropping all the team one like volleyball and hockey. It would be much grander.

What you seem to be proposing is just a worldwide athletics competition, which already exists in the form of the IAAF World Championships in Athletics. As they are, the Olympics allow people with a vast variety of skills a chance to represent their country and receive their spot in the limelight, even if they are not a great runner nor a great thrower. The Olympics are more about general sporting prowess, as opposed to athletic prowess in particular.

What would happen to equestrian events? Some of the horses are undoubtedly athletes competing in athletic events, but they are also ridden by a rider, making them a team. but they do not compete simultaneously against other teams as in volleyball and hockey.

Right now its a dull  commercialized event of a hand full of countries, for reasons stated by Nightmare.

Being the best, even if it leaves other countries and competitors no chance is what the Olympics are about. They are not about giving every country an equal probability of winning and then seeing which wins. Commercialisation does not preclude competition.

Now if it was purely a contest of the greatest athletes of each country it would be amazing to watch.

It is a contest of the greatest athletes of each country. However, it also encompasses much more besides, and that leads to winners being calculated not just based on the 'athletic' events. If you do not appreciate the other events, you can ignore them and make your own calculations and follow the IAAF championships. Your preference for athletics does not necessarily mean that everything else should be left out of the Olympics.

I've watch them in the past but now find the whole thing faux-contest.

I suppose you are right. It is not a contest, apart from the part where people compete against each other and win by performing the best performance.

Did we take any of their players this year?

You stated that the reason for the USA's dominance is its large population. I dismissed that, but you seem to have misinterpreted my dismissal.


Why? Because they threaten their players with death threats? Maybe that's what we need to do.

What? They are regarded as having a good chance of winning because they have a good chance of scoring the best. Death threats do not equal points.


And you didn't seem to get my dark humor.

Yes, your dark humour which intended to make light of an apparently innocent person being viciously murdered. As it is, your dark humour was based on the false premise that that victim was one of the USA's Olympic athletes (athlete in the wider sense), which I pointed out as false. I did 'get' your dark humour; I just chose to criticise it.

Don't worry, it happens to the best of us. :P

Yes, being right does indeed happen to the best of us. Thanks, Captain Obvious.
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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2008, 05:00:01 pm »
blah blah blah

Okay, I guess you're one of those big Olympic fans, I'll get off your case. I'd rather back down now then get stuck in an argument with you.

I hate the Olympics, simple as that. End of story, nothing is going to change that.

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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2008, 05:09:51 pm »
Hah!

The Czech Republic takes home the first Gold.

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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2008, 05:12:33 pm »
Hah!

The Czech Republic takes home the first Gold.

HA! Take that America! With your 646 647 athletes!

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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2008, 10:04:37 pm »
The hosting country's teams get automatically qualified...that might have something to do w/China being liked to take home a large chunk of medals.

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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2008, 10:38:03 pm »
So far as I can recall, Greece was not one of the 'favourites to win' in 2004. I will admit that I am unsure about the following, as my memory on it is poor at best, but I would have thought that having several former Olympic athletes who represented countries other than The People's Republic of China say that The People's Republic of China has a good chance due to the strength of its team and giving appropriate examples (such as in diving and hurdling, I think) suggests that The People's Republic of China may indeed have a good chance because of the quality of its team, not because it is hosting or because 'they' allegedly send death threats.

Qualifying by default does not mean that one will perform any better.
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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2008, 11:32:35 pm »
Well, the hosting gave their teams a slight advantage was all I was pointing out, really...Unlike Greece, as far as I know, China is also just regularly a big competitor in the Olympics...

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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2008, 02:19:35 am »
The odd thing is... the Olympic games, as they are in their current, reborn, state, are nothing like to form and spirit of the ancient ones. The ones nowadays have an extreme amount of pomp and show, which that of antiquity didn't have. And, of course, the games of antiquity were a religious affair (in the case of the Olympic games, they were supposedly dedicated to Zeus by Herakles; so were the Nemean; not sure about the Isthmian, but I suppose the Pythian were to Apollon.) Anyway, from the sense I get (though I would have to study the history of the games far more to be able to make a good judgment) is that there are some major differences in ideal. I think one of them is that it is national rather than individual: the ancient games were aristocratic affairs and large emphasis was placed on the person who won, not so much the country. Another is viewing. I've heard it said (though coming from a Classicist like Edith Hamilton makes it an opinion over 50 years old... scholarship might debate on if the few can still be seen to be valid these days) that the Greeks, as opposed to us and the Romans, were not an entertainment culture. That is, the Romans liked to watch the games in their ampitheatres, but didn't take part; we are addicted to waching things on TV. Edith Hamilton makes the interesting point that watching in this manner is not very satisfying and always requires more stimulus. In contrast, the Greeks were active participants, which supposedly made them more content with the matters and less thirsty for more sensation: the games were not for spectators, but wholly for the athletes; their stage productions, too, were a communal affair in that it was, rather like our jury duty, from the ranks of the citizens that the actors were drawn each year... presumably, everyone had a part in drama. Anyway, as I said, this comment from here is over half a century old, so might be dismissed as, at worst, a Philhellenic idolization of the Greek austerity. Maybe it's too much, but it does have some merit, I think. And as such, I don't think the current games are quite true to the ancient athletic spirit.

Is that good or bad? Up to you to decide, I suppose. There's nothing saying what's ancient is by neccessity better.

A final note: the premise was also far simpler. It seems to have begun from some sort of military exercise, rather like the funeral games portrayed in literature like the Iliad. It would be rather interesting to see the games return to that sort of format, though I think certain events (as well as the lack of clothing in some), might be offensive. I don't think boxing with what were essentially bare fists would be much regarded nowadays. What I do lament, though, is the lack of a good chariot race.

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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2008, 03:27:15 am »
yay england got a gold !!

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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2008, 12:11:14 pm »
Yes fewer events, like dropping all the team one like volleyball and hockey. It would be much grander. Right now its a dull  commercialized event of a hand full of countries, for reasons stated by Nightmare. Now if it was purely a contest of the greatest athletes of each country it would be amazing to watch. I've watch them in the past but now find the whole thing faux-contest.

If it was limited to 10 players from each country, either there would be only 10 events or it would not be "purely a contest of the greatest athletes of each country" as countries would have to only participate in those events that they deemed most important. If there are 20 events and a country can only field 10 athletes, they have to pick and choose. Thus, the first 10 would get the best athletes, the last 10 would get the athletes from countries that wouldn't even bother with the other 10, knowing they don't have a chance.

Did we take any of their players this year?

Do we take anyone's players any years? Does America have some system of forcing individuals from other countries to play for us? We might have athletes from other countries, but it the the athlete who chooses to represent the United States. If you want to be uppity, then be uppity about the individual's free will.

I hate the Olympics, simple as that. End of story, nothing is going to change that.

But why do you hate the Olympics? Is it because of the patriotic taint that they have (citizens of a country do generally root for their own country to win)? Is it because it is inherently unequitable (so many countries don't even make it to the finals, and not all countries can afford to properly train their athletes)? Or is there some other cause?

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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2008, 03:41:15 pm »


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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2008, 04:54:24 am »
The American kayaking commentators just called someone a "Czechoslovakian."

You'd think after McCain made that mistake...

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Re: Games of the XXIX Olympiad
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2008, 11:08:11 am »
Why not just use percentages, rather than the actual number medal.  If the US has say 500 athletes and 30 gold medals are won, then the US has a gold medal win percentage of 6.  Then take Sri Lanka, who has lets say 20 athletes and they win 5 gold medals.  They have a gold medal win percentage of 25.  I made up all of those numbers but you get the point.  Makes levelling the playing field a bit easier.