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« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2004, 03:06:36 pm »
Yea I knew he actually used a sword.  That and my 5th time through CC convinced me that it wasn't Magus.  I just think its a soldier with his helmet off and Square is being evil.

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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2004, 04:51:39 pm »
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Yea I knew he actually used a sword.  That and my 5th time through CC convinced me that it wasn't Magus.  I just think its a soldier with his helmet off and Square is being evil.


I also know it was a sword and not a scythe at that point in the scene, heh.  But that wasn't what I was going to comment on.  Which is kinda obvious when you look at the post I'm quoting.  But anyways...

I don't think the guy on the right is just some soldier.  For one, why would the average soldier be wearing a cape?  It's not exactly the smartest thing to wear to a battle, and the common foot soldier doesn't have a high enough status to wear one.  Why would Square even bother hiding the figure's identity if it wasn't important at all (I guess making people speculate would be an argument to this, but I doubt that's the case here, though I wouldn't put it past them either)?  The figure would at least have to be a general in the Porre army, or someone different entirely.

I just hope whoever the man was is from the existing universe, and not some "new threat."

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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2004, 01:57:15 pm »
okay fine, so maybe it isnt a soldier :(  But who could it be?  Oh, for whoever above said that the hand that grabbed the Masamune was pale or whatever, I just watched the sequence again, its a gloved hand.  If Porre attacked Guardia to get the Masamune back, its strange that they dont have it in 1020A.D.  Maybe Porre did think that they had dibs on it (they did name Tata as the Hero afterall).

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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2004, 09:04:28 pm »
Hello, I remember a conversation about this on the Chrono Cross GameFAQs message board a while back.  I was the one that submitted the Universal Porre Uprising theory.  It kind of used every theory and combined it into one.  I'll re-post it here, I remember there were a few changes that needed to be made to it, but I can't really remember which ones.


Universal Porre Uprising Theory

*Disclaimer* - I do not claim to know everything, I’ve probably made quite a few mistakes, but, that’s what this theory is for.  Coming up with some sort of idea why Porre, a peaceful town in the Zenan continent, slaughters the Guardian people and take over their land.  I saw the many theories on Porre’s uprising at Chrono Compendium and decided to see if I could combine most of them.  I used creativity and the void of explanation to create what seems to me like a good theory as to what happened.  Once again some of my theories and their links to one another are built on what I thought I remembered (which means I’m not sure on parts).  If there is anything wrong with what is based on storyline please let me know.

Here we go!

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After the events of Chrono Trigger, Porre is changed by what Chrono & Co. did on their adventures.

Fiona’s Forrest creates a barrier between Porre and the rest of the Zenan continent.  The people become more independent and start using the forest for resources.

They become more militaristic and more materialistic, having an underlying jealousy of Guardia and the power that the kingdom holds over them, with the bragging rights of having the Masamune, the Rainbow shell and of course an all powerful hero couple/King and Queen.  Porre and it’s people obviously were longing for power of their own.

Porre is first to send explorers out beyond the Zenan continent in the hopes of finding some land to expand upon, and gain more power and resources.

Porrian explorers stumble upon El Nido and try to take a claim at the land but are promptly defeated by the resident Dragonians and their powerful Elements.

The explorers return to the mainland and productivity of weapons is accelerated.  Porre creating “guns” and variations of guns based off the weapon created by Lucca.

Porre mounts a sizable force and invades El Nido.  The tactically advanced Porrians win the land but do not obtain control of the powerful elements used by the enemy.

Several years later plans for Chronopolis are initiated by Guardia, Porre willingly helps Guardia by hosting the facility on “new found” land (El Nido).

The Porrians lead the Guardians through El Nido’s only entrance making sure to stay away from all the other islands and end up at the Sea of Eden, a secluded place within a secluded archipelago, an easy place to get cut off from the Zenan continent.

Guardia not knowing Porre has any ill-intent thinks nothing of the act and continue on with the building of Chronopolis without even thinking of what was outside of the Sea of Eden.

All the while Porre’s development is continuing in the rest of El Nido, now stumbling upon new technology left behind from the Dragonians.  But the Porrians run into trouble, The Dragon God.  Not all too happy about the extinction of all it’s subjects it wreaks havoc on the Porrians greatly hindering their work.  That’s when FATE becomes a thought.

The Dragon God is also creating disturbances at Chronopolis so FATE becomes more than just an idea with the intention of doing something about the Dragon God.

The Guardians and the Porrians work together with the help of the Motherbrain computer chip (apparently either had records of it made by Lucca or actually brought from the future by Lucca) and the Dragonian technology discovered by the Porrians (passed off as “Porrian” technology”) to create the first working model of FATE.

FATE was able to trick the Dragon God into splitting itself up and that’s when it sealed their powers, making them lose control of the elements and contribute to Porre’s power.  The Guardians only see it as a defeat of the Dragon God and not a victory for Porre.  

Chronopolis is completed and research is started on time travel (Initially what Chronopolis was created for among other research).

The Time Crash occurs years later and Chronopolis is sent back in time.

The Porrians seize the opportunity and kill off the Guardians.  They modify FATE, then bid their time advancing even further beyond the the flesh transferring their form onto the ghostly beings found inside Chronopolis.

When the supposed starting chain of events begins, immediately after Chrono Trigger ends, the Porrian remnants from Chronopolis (Easier referred to as Chronopolians now) visit the Zenan continent and make appeals to their freshly power hungry, past, selves.

The Chronopolians supply their advanced weapons and the Elements to the people of 1005 A.D. Porre.

Porre throws together a large force and marches into Guardia.

The Guardians are slaughtered, the Masamune is stolen, the Porre enslave the Demi-Humans of Medina, they are told of El Nido by the Chronopolians, invade, slaughter the Dragonians (with the Dragonian races’ own device, Elements), Chronopolis is already there because of the Time Crash,  so FATE already exists, the Masamune ends up discarded and tainted on the Isle of the Damned, the Porrians and the Chronopolians pervert FATE’s programing to control people through the Records of FATE, once again the Dragon God is suppressed, and the Porrians now have control over both the Zenan continent and the El Nido Archipelago.

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If there is any flaw in my reasoning, if I said anything that is wrong storyline wise (not theory based) then please correct me (I’m not too sure about the Dragon God being “tricked”, I forgot how things happened).

But this basically combines several theories and use a lot of creativity on my part.  Hope it enlightened, confused or even disgusted you.

Thanks

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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2004, 10:27:31 pm »
First off, welcome to the forums! So here we go...
Quote from: ArgonX
Porrian explorers stumble upon El Nido and try to take a claim at the land but are promptly defeated by the resident Dragonians and their powerful Elements.
 I'm not sure but I don't remember that ever being said.  
Quote from: ArgonX
Several years later plans for Chronopolis are initiated by Guardia, Porre willingly helps Guardia by hosting the facility on “new found” land (El Nido).

The Porrians lead the Guardians through El Nido’s only entrance making sure to stay away from all the other islands and end up at the Sea of Eden, a secluded place within a secluded archipelago, an easy place to get cut off from the Zenan continent.

Guardia not knowing Porre has any ill-intent thinks nothing of the act and continue on with the building of Chronopolis without even thinking of what was outside of the Sea of Eden.
 Whoa whoa whoa, that definately didn't happen. Chronopolis was created in the new future that Crono and Co. helped create, and Guardia had been taken over well before Chronopolis existed.
Quote from: ArgonX
Guardia not knowing Porre has any ill-intent thinks nothing of the act and continue on with the building of Chronopolis without even thinking of what was outside of the Sea of Eden.

All the while Porre’s development is continuing in the rest of El Nido, now stumbling upon new technology left behind from the Dragonians. But the Porrians run into trouble, The Dragon God. Not all too happy about the extinction of all it’s subjects it wreaks havoc on the Porrians greatly hindering their work. That’s when FATE becomes a thought.

The Dragon God is also creating disturbances at Chronopolis so FATE becomes more than just an idea with the intention of doing something about the Dragon God.
Porre did not come into contact with the Dragon God, that battle took place around 7500B.C. when Chronopolis was brought back in time along with Dinopolis.
Quote from: ArgonX
The Guardians and the Porrians work together with the help of the Motherbrain computer chip (apparently either had records of it made by Lucca or actually brought from the future by Lucca) and the Dragonian technology discovered by the Porrians (passed off as “Porrian” technology”) to create the first working model of FATE.

FATE was able to trick the Dragon God into splitting itself up and that’s when it sealed their powers, making them lose control of the elements and contribute to Porre’s power. The Guardians only see it as a defeat of the Dragon God and not a victory for Porre.

Chronopolis is completed and research is started on time travel (Initially what Chronopolis was created for among other research).
Guardia and Porre did not work together, Porre took over Guardia, the Dragon God wasn't tricked by FATE; Chronopolis forces and Dinopolis forces fought eachother after the Time Crash; Chronopolis won and FATE used the Frozen Flame to separate the Dragon God into six weaker dragons. Guardia does not exist as it was anymore!
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The Chronopolians supply their advanced weapons and the Elements to the people of 1005 A.D. Porre.
 No, they would not have done that.  FATE needed to make sure that events on the Mainland never changed so that Chronopolis would exist in the future.  No one in El Nido or Porre knew about Chronopolis at all.
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the Porrians and the Chronopolians pervert FATE’s programing to control people through the Records of FATE, once again the Dragon God is suppressed, and the Porrians now have control over both the Zenan continent and the El Nido Archipelago.
 Porre does control El Nido, but they didnt pervert FATE into controlling people, Chronopolis created most of the El Nido islands and put its people there, FATE's purpose is to control those people and prevent them from going to the Zenan continent as much as it can in order to preserve Chronopolis's future.

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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2004, 05:18:48 am »
I think Crono is the guy on the right.

Anyways, many people get Keystone 1 and 2 mixed up. Well, Chronopolis never would be possible if it was not for the Rise of Porre. Therefore Porre rised in the original timeline without El Nido effecting it.

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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2004, 10:26:12 am »
Is it mentioned that Porre created Chronopolis? I thought it only talked about some "Central Regime", but I havent played Cross in a long while.... (And also, Chronopolis came from 1,390 years after CC...)

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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2004, 02:36:22 pm »
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Is it mentioned that Porre created Chronopolis? I thought it only talked about some "Central Regime", but I havent played Cross in a long while.... (And also, Chronopolis came from 1,390 years after CC...)

Well, its not specifically stated that Porre created Chronopolis but (1) the super weapon that was being designed by Porre is found in Chronopolis.  (2) Porre basically rules the world and there is no mention of them being defeated in CC.  

But yea, who knows who created Chronopolis

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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2004, 02:55:27 pm »
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First off, welcome to the forums! So here we go...
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Porrian explorers stumble upon El Nido and try to take a claim at the land but are promptly defeated by the resident Dragonians and their powerful Elements.
 I'm not sure but I don't remember that ever being said.  
Quote from: ArgonX
Several years later plans for Chronopolis are initiated by Guardia, Porre willingly helps Guardia by hosting the facility on “new found” land (El Nido).

The Porrians lead the Guardians through El Nido’s only entrance making sure to stay away from all the other islands and end up at the Sea of Eden, a secluded place within a secluded archipelago, an easy place to get cut off from the Zenan continent.

Guardia not knowing Porre has any ill-intent thinks nothing of the act and continue on with the building of Chronopolis without even thinking of what was outside of the Sea of Eden.
 Whoa whoa whoa, that definately didn't happen. Chronopolis was created in the new future that Crono and Co. helped create, and Guardia had been taken over well before Chronopolis existed.


Aye, thanks for the welcome.  I've been slinking around the boards for a while now, I've just not bothered to post.

All this is, is a "what came first" situation.  Something to the effect of what I wrote had to of happened for things like this to happen.  We know there's no way for Guardia to be taken over by Porre in only a matter of years after the events of CT, unless time travel has something to do with it, so even though the whole theory is rather convaluted it is logical.  Think about it this way:  Keystone T1 and Keystone T2 don't exist yet.  The original timeline continues it's course, and the events of Chrono Trigger are the only effect which creates Keystone T1.  Now in the future of the T1 timeline, Chronopolis has been built and the T1 Porrians are there at Chronopolis biding their time to jump the Guardians.  Then the timeline split occurs and Keystone T2 is created.  This is what causes the time crash, correct?  The Chronopolis of the original timeline is sent back to 7500 B.C. where Dinopolis is.  The two duke it out and Chronopolis comes out on top.  The Porrians take advantage of the battle and kill off the Guardians.  In between the time of 7500 B.C. and 1005 A.D. Chronopolis decides it can wait until an appropriate time to take over Guardia and in the mean time they do experimentation and the like to advance their technology.  Fast foward to the future again, where Chrono Trigger's events are taking place.  Consider that this time around many things are different, firstly being that Chronopolis and Porre have come in contact with each other and Porre is vastly stronger in this new timeline than it was in the original, explaining why it was able to overthrow Guardia.

That's correct right?  I haven't didn't memorize the Keystone T2 and the graph seems to be out of commision.

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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2004, 06:18:36 pm »
"Well, its not specifically stated that Porre created Chronopolis but (1) the super weapon that was being designed by Porre is found in Chronopolis. (2) Porre basically rules the world and there is no mention of them being defeated in CC. "

Hmm.. Let's see if I can find reasons for this..

1. Perhaps someone from Porre somehow got into Chronopolis and got the weapon's plans somehow?

2. Well, Porre only rules the world in T-2, so anything in that timeline that DOESNT happen in T-1 could have caused the rise...

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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2004, 09:22:48 pm »
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We know there's no way for Guardia to be taken over by Porre in only a matter of years after the events of CT, unless time travel has something to do with it, so even though the whole theory is rather convaluted it is logical. Think about it this way: Keystone T1 and Keystone T2 don't exist yet. The original timeline continues it's course, and the events of Chrono Trigger are the only effect which creates Keystone T1. Now in the future of the T1 timeline, Chronopolis has been built and the T1 Porrians are there at Chronopolis biding their time to jump the Guardians.
 ok no.  t1 and t2 do not exist yet, and Guardia IS taken over by Porre in 1005A.D. originally, without the aid of Chronopolis.  Chronopolis does not want to affect the mainland and vice versa because it wants to preserve its own future.  In t2, i believe, Chronopolis does not exist, this is because in t2 Crono and Co. never defeated Lavos in 1999A.D.  As far as I can remember, what messed up t2 was Serge living.  Something involving Serge in the future messes up the journey of Crono and Co.  At least thats what I remember from CC.  But anyway, Chronopolis has nothing to do Porre taking over Guardia, Porre did that on its own (well because of Crono restoring the forest and giving more materials to Porre etc)  If Chronopolis had to interfere in order for Porre to defeat Guardia, its own future would be changed and it may not exist.  Therefore, Chronopolis has nothing to do with Porre's invasion of Guardia.  

Porre does have full control in t2, but where does it say that it does not have world control in t1??

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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2004, 10:23:39 pm »
Actually, T-2 is Another, where Serge dies. Even if Chronopolis is at fault for Porre rising, this wouldn't affect Home, as it shares a history with Another through 1010, past the point where Porre rises.

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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2004, 10:33:48 pm »
Didnt Porre's rising begin in 1005 with the fall of The Kingdom of Guardia?

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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2004, 11:08:07 pm »
yea i think i got t1 and t2 mixed up again...oh well.  And yes, Porre's uprising begins in 1005A.D.  or at least the actual takeover begins in 1005

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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2004, 11:16:18 pm »
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"Well, its not specifically stated that Porre created Chronopolis but (1) the super weapon that was being designed by Porre is found in Chronopolis. (2) Porre basically rules the world and there is no mention of them being defeated in CC. "

Hmm.. Let's see if I can find reasons for this..

1. Perhaps someone from Porre somehow got into Chronopolis and got the weapon's plans somehow?

2. Well, Porre only rules the world in T-2, so anything in that timeline that DOESNT happen in T-1 could have caused the rise...


Norris say that he though of destruct that weapon along with Luccia (or was Luca?) lab so theres 2 possibilities:
1.The "laboratory" was in Porre's enemy country like Guardia

2.Norris is saboteur of his own country
Its said that Luccia has worked in Porre. too.