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« on: December 28, 2003, 11:14:36 pm »
This is Lucca's description about her sidequest, and I can't believe I overlooked it all this time.

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Lucca: Solar energy was used aeons ago, well before Lavos Energy existed... It might be just the thing we need to defeat Lavos...


First thing, Lucca definitively states that the Sun Stone is solar powered, if there was any doubt.

Lucca also states that the use of the Sun Stone predated Lavos Energy, which could have two meanings.  She could be refering to the Zealians' use of the Sun Stone before their reliance on the Mammon Machine, or that the Reptites made use of it before Lavos' arrival.

Since Lucca uses the words "before Lavos Energy existed", and not "before it was made available", it suggests that the Sun Stone was used before Lavos' came into the picture.  If this were true, it would disprove the theory that the Zealians created the Sun Stone.

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2004, 08:32:02 pm »
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Could the Sun Keep be one of the "power points" used by the Dragonians in the Reptite dimension to create the elements? That would mean the Sun Stone stores the planet's energy as implied in Zeal, and not solar energy. That would provide an explanation for the Sun Keep's eternal light; it is a focal point for the planet's energy--the same energy absorbed by Lavos.

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2004, 12:46:00 pm »
The Sun Keep would have been raised to the sky for the 12000 BC era, correct? That would seem to destroy its connection to the planet for the purposes of geothermal power and for the potential for geothermal power to be ever used again.

Or are the Sun Keep and Sun Palace two entirely different structures? Been too long to remember. Doesn't the Sun Palace (or what's left of it) inhabit the same spot that the Sun Keep does in the future?

I need to fire up CT and CC again.  :?

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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2004, 04:31:00 pm »
Sun Palace is Zeal built and raised.

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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2004, 10:14:47 pm »
Well, I don't believe there is any mention or even a hint of Reptites using the Sun Stone at all.  I dont see why they would need it to power the Tyrano lair, there are torches all over the place and the only "vehicles" they use would be organic creatures.  I saw somewhere mentioned up there that perhaps the Stone is of the lightning and fire elements (because it is associated with light).  I dont think it would be associated with the lightning element if the Reptites used it because they fear lightning, it weakens them pretty bad, doesnt strengthen them (cept for the energy release from the mega, giga, and terra-saurs, and the Nizbels).  I think the Zealians created it from materials that HAD absorbed sunlight for over 65 mil years. Perhaps the material in the Sun Keep in the spot where the light continually shined, absorbed sunlight, forming this material that perhaps was later shaped into a sphere for efficiency purposes maybe. As for the origin of this material(s), i cannot say.

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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2004, 11:10:48 pm »
Also, keep in mind that Continental Drift hasn't been fully proven, nor has the existence of the Continent of Pangea. While the surface land seems to link, land deep beneath the Earth does not, which suggests that Continental Drift ISN'T true. However, there is plenty of evidence to support the theory, and it should therefore not be discounted. Sorry for breaking off topic, I just saw this as interesting.

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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2004, 01:03:10 am »
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Also, keep in mind that Continental Drift hasn't been fully proven, nor has the existence of the Continent of Pangea. While the surface land seems to link, land deep beneath the Earth does not, which suggests that Continental Drift ISN'T true. However, there is plenty of evidence to support the theory, and it should therefore not be discounted. Sorry for breaking off topic, I just saw this as interesting.


Continental Drift and the theory of plate tectonics are verified by an overwhelming body of evidence and are generally accepted by the scientific community.  Convection of the mantle is also strongly supported by current evidence.

Unlike a mathematical theorem, scientific theories cannot be categorically proven.  A theory is only as good as its latest verification.  I suggest anyone in doubt read about the Scientific Method.

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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2004, 04:18:28 pm »
Yes, a theory is something that isn't proven, but has enough evidence to suggest. This is why continental drift ISN'T proven, as it is clearly refered to as a theory. I don't care how much information we have, because I think that we have many things backwards to begin with. Anyways, I just thought that I would point out that continental drift still isn't proven, even if the greatest percent of the scientific community likes to think it has been.

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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2004, 04:29:27 pm »
GrayLensman, in all intents and purposes, is a scientist to my perception. He knows this :) Continental drift is widely believed and evidenced and thus serves a stable foundation off which to build our own theories.

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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2004, 04:36:06 pm »
And Pangaea is proven in the Chrono Series.. Just look at 65,000,000 BC.

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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2004, 06:58:41 pm »
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Yes, a theory is something that isn't proven, but has enough evidence to suggest. This is why continental drift ISN'T proven, as it is clearly refered to as a theory. I don't care how much information we have, because I think that we have many things backwards to begin with. Anyways, I just thought that I would point out that continental drift still isn't proven, even if the greatest percent of the scientific community likes to think it has been.


Theory and Law are used almost interchangably depending on who is using them. Often people like to try and attack an idea by pointing out that its "just a theory".

How much evidence do you require before it is "proven"?

Er, nevermind. I just clicked on GreyLensman's link a second ago and it says what I wanted to say and does much better than I ever could. Very good link, or at least the page pointed out.

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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2004, 08:29:45 pm »
The Theory of Relativity (especially when considering motion rather than the way most people think of time first) screws everything up.

I never punch anybody, the universe just suddenly lurches toward me and they accidentally collide with my fist.

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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2004, 01:27:00 am »
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Yes, a theory is something that isn't proven, but has enough evidence to suggest. This is why continental drift ISN'T proven, as it is clearly refered to as a theory. I don't care how much information we have, because I think that we have many things backwards to begin with. Anyways, I just thought that I would point out that continental drift still isn't proven, even if the greatest percent of the scientific community likes to think it has been.


XchrononetX, you appear to have some wrongheaded ideas about how science works.  If my link did not enlighten you, I will continue.

I'm going to philosophize a little bit.  In the real world, it is impossible to prove anything.  Our view of the universe is limited by what our senses can detect and the ability of our minds to analyze that data.  There is no way to verify whether what we see or hear is real, let alone if the invisible things we accept as true really exist.

Science is our attempt to take the limited data our senses supply to us and figure out what we are looking at.  Science never claims to prove anything—that would be absurd, considering that we don't know whether we really exist or not.  Science takes what we have already observed, and tries to predict what will happen next.  If those predictions are accurate, they become a theory, and it will be generally accepted by scientists as what actually happens.  However, if the theory ever contradicts what is observed, it must be either revised or discarded.  If a theory lasts long enough, scientists may call it a law, but that doesn't mean it cannot be falsified.

Mathematics is different.  It is a conceptual universe which we created—and we know ALL the rules.  It is possible to use the basic axioms of mathematics to prove a logical expression, and know with absolute certainty that it is true.

Continental Drift is not a certainty and it will never be proven, but it is supported by every scientific observation of the earth.  Scientists to not think that Continental Drift is just a swell idea, they recognize that it is the only present explanation that fits the data.  Because the data is not complete and will never be complete does not invalidate the theory.  You have done nothing to falsify Continental Drift or the theory of Plate Tectonics.  How agreeable you find Continental Drift or any other theory is completely irrelevant, and has no place in a discussion in this forum.

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2004, 03:44:46 pm »
I'm pretty sure I understood everything, other than the fact that you haven't figured out that I love debating so much, that I'd create something to debate about out of the air. Just don't worry too much, I just joke around too much. Even when I'm being serious I'm not being serious. That's the wonder of the internet, you not knowing what tone I'm saying this in, because it's text :).

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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2004, 04:09:18 pm »
I'm always up for a good debate, although social and political issues are much more fruitful topics for discussion.  If you resolve that Continental Drift does not occur, it will be a very short debate. :)

I always like to think things through logically, and I guess that's why I'm called the Guru of Reason.  Zeality's dream is for this site to be a mecca of enlightenment and I actively pursue that goal.  Don't take it personally, but if I see anything that looks wrong in this forum (analysis), I'm going to correct it.