On Theism

[Kanadyets]

Yes, but with all due respect (and I do mean that sincerely as I try to approach everybody's ideas with an open mind and give them all a fair shot) you put out a quotation that was self-contradicting and paradoxical, didn't make any effort to make any sense of it (if such a thing is possible in this instance), and didn't provide any source for the quotation.  I mean, I'm sure pretty much anyone here would approach the opportunity for further discussion with fervency and zeal, but it's most difficult when logic gets tossed aside and we're left with statements to which the only reasonable response (not to mention the most humourous) was ZeaLitY's tremendous offering.

[Kanadyets]

Oh, and on that note, I was still laughing about it when I biked to work tonight.  Now the people in my neighbourhood are going to report to the authorities that there's an insane guy around and my next posts are going to be coming from the psych ward. Thanks, man.

[jihnsius]

Oh, and on that note, I was still laughing about it when I biked to work tonight.  Now the people in my neighbourhood are going to report to the authorities that there's an insane guy around and my next posts are going to be coming from the psych ward. Thanks, man.

Good luck not getting evicted.

[Sora]

Actually, if I remember correctly, Dostoevsky meant that humans would be capable of all sorts of vice and evil
 without a goodly God providing a guiding principle.  Bear in mind it's been some time since I studied Russian Lit very closely,
but I believe that's what old Fyodor had in mind.  I just cited it because I've had it tossed at me by atheists in the past, so I
presumed there's some schools of thought out there that adopted the line of thinking as their own, just in a different light.

Oh, I see. I don't see why athiests would adopt it, though, since such a statement is rather moronic if that was how he meant it.
 If the only thing people have stopping them from, say, going on a serial killing spree is some Sky Fairy, then they have problems,
is the way I see it. (But then I've argued about this very subject so many times on NationStates--much more civilly, I should say--that
I'm just plain tired of the argument, hence my flippant comments about stupidity.)

Sky Fairy? okay dude you're really pissing me off. just because you don't believe something that doesn't mean you should disrespect it.
the only people who would agree with you are people who believe like you anyway, and they aren't going to say anything cause they'll
think you look retarded for bring up such facts as "Your beliefe that Jesus is God is impossiable, and your God is a sky fairy" in a thread about some 8 bit gopher
popping out of the ground and destroying the world. now me bring a 19 year
old in collage and not some 7th grade kid who is so insecure about his beliefes that he has to attack other peoples for no reason on a
topic where its barely relivent, and later even off topic, i just dont see why you people take the time to attack God in EVERY post.
anyway i am really sick of people not believing in god just randomly attacking him and people who believe in him

"hey, i beat super mario!!!
oh, by the way got sucks and so do christianz, and they dont exist lolz!"

i am trying to enjoy this message board and people like you are making it very hard to do so.

grow up. theres a time and a place for talking about god, and here in this topic isn't one of them.
if i wanted to read about how Christians are retarded because some little 12 year old says so i would have looked
for a topic called "OMG JESUS ISNT REAL CAUSE I SAY SO AND I AM ALL KNOWING AND POWERFUL!!!"


yea, i know. I'm probably going to get in trouble by mods for this post, and they wont do anything about his. funny how that works huh? -.-|||

[ZeaLitY]

okay dude you're really pissing me off. just because you don't believe something that doesn't mean you should disrespect it.

Freedom of speech and freedom of religion mean freedom from religion. While the Compendium is a private forum subject to United States laws, and though the admins and I have total control over speech, topics here often go off-topic in meaningful ways. This is not pedophilia or flaming, so there is no reason to curtail this expression if there's a tangible, civil discussion going on. Contrarily, off-topic posting with one word and images aren't usually allowed.

In summary, we're not going to prevent someone's sensibilities from being offended as a matter of metaphysical debate unless it descends to outright flaming and trolling. This forum has a sizable number of people with humanistic or scientific leanings. Kyronea or Kanadyets didn't launch the debate, and neither should it be met with such intolerance.

now me bring a 19 year old in collage and not some 7th grade kid who is so insecure about his beliefes

[Sora]

okay dude you're really pissing me off. just because you don't believe something that doesn't mean you should disrespect it.

Freedom of speech and freedom of religion mean freedom from religion. While the Compendium is a private forum subject to United States laws, and though the admins and I have total control over speech, topics here often go off-topic in meaningful ways. This is not pedophilia or flaming, so there is no reason to curtail this expression if there's a tangible, civil discussion going on. Contrarily, off-topic posting with one word and images aren't usually allowed.

In summary, we're not going to prevent someone's sensibilities from being offended as a matter of metaphysical debate unless it descends to outright flaming and trolling. This forum has a sizable number of people with humanistic or scientific leanings. Kyronea or Kanadyets didn't launch the debate, and neither should it be met with such intolerance.

now me bring a 19 year old in collage and not some 7th grade kid who is so insecure about his beliefes

w00t! no ban. thanks ZeaLitY ^.^

the mods here really ARE nice ^.^

anyway, because i am sure that someone is going to say "if you dont like what i'm saying leave this site"
to you i have something to say.

if i went into random threads and than posted up a goatse* pic would you leave the thread, forums, or internet? no, you'd fight to have the pics removed. however, even goatse has its place on the internet, and as such trying to remove a pic of goatse on a goatse website is just stupid. however this site isnt a goastse site, so you wouldnt come here looking for goastse, and if you seen some here it would most likely offend you.

one could argue that that goatse is aginst the rules, and christan bashing is not, but the fact remains: this is a Chrono Trigger website, not a Christian bashing website, so my request to not bring it up in random threads holds a good bit of ground and as such "if you dont like what i'm saying leave this site" doesn't serve as a defense.

*Goatse is a really really nasty porn pic. DO NOT LOOK FOR IT! it will scar you.


Edit: and actually i am 19 and in collage. look www.myspace.com/soracross

[Kanadyets]

Contrarily, off-topic posting with one word and images aren't usually allowed.

And those delightful Picard shots, then?

[ZeaLitY]

Contrarily, off-topic posting with one word and images aren't usually allowed.

And those delightful Picard shots, then?

I mean like "lol nice " replies to posts or total image games, like association. My Picard thread beautifully sums up paragraphs of thoughts in one glance...

[Glennleo]

Edit: and actually i am 19 and in collage. look www.myspace.com/soracross

That's great and all, and I like that you are trying to challenge or argue with Kyronea or whoever else. That's fine and dandy.

But for the love of god if you misspell college again, I am going to make a collage with your face!

Grammar is a tool too few use. Please be one of the few that do.

[Kanadyets]

Contrarily, off-topic posting with one word and images aren't usually allowed.

And those delightful Picard shots, then?

I mean like "lol nice " replies to posts or total image games, like association. My Picard thread beautifully sums up paragraphs of thoughts in one glance...

Yeah, I know, and I agree.  I figured I'd just put that out there.

It does some it up, though.  As I said, a thousand words.

[alpha]

Well.. I was gonn asay something but now Ive thought better of it... but here is a thought.. I say this to people who say god doesnt exist and I say it to people who say he does.. even though I Think he does in one way or another..

Prove it.

[Kebrel]

Easy, omnipotence is impossible.

[Kyronea]

Well.. I was gonn asay something but now Ive thought better of it... but here is a thought.. I say this to people who say god doesnt exist and I say it to people who say he does.. even though I Think he does in one way or another..

Prove it.

You are making the claim, that of the existence of an entity like God or God Himself as defined by your religion. Thus, the burden of proof is upon you.

But as stated by Kebrel, omnipotence and omniscience are impossible. For example, could God create a rock that He Himself could not lift? If He could not create it, He is not omnipotent. If he could create it, He is not omnipotent, because He could not lift the rock.

Also, for omniscience, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle alone is enough to prove it is impossible.

[jihnsius]

This thread has turned into all sorts of awesomeness.

[Radical_Dreamer]

This thread has turned into all sorts of awesomeness.

Let's turn it back to analysis.