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Cursed Masamune
« on: July 08, 2007, 04:10:57 pm »
This might have been thought of but I remember after you beat dario Masa and Mune say they have been asleep. Dose that mean the sword was cursed? And if it was who did it and why?

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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2007, 07:07:01 pm »

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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2007, 10:30:32 pm »
I'm saying that might be the reason might be because they were cursed.

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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2007, 07:46:22 pm »
It sounds more like they were just saying that to get out of trouble from Doreen, though...They weren't actually sleeping, it's more like they were messing around...Or perhaps you could see it as another form of the test they gave on Denadorio Mt. to anyone who came to claim the sword...

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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2007, 11:01:29 am »
only melchoir would know for sure

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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2007, 03:18:31 pm »
It sounds more like they were just saying that to get out of trouble from Doreen, though...They weren't actually sleeping, it's more like they were messing around...Or perhaps you could see it as another form of the test they gave on Denadorio Mt. to anyone who came to claim the sword...

Uhm no they surely weren't. You think Masa and Mune would go as far as to make people kill their best friends? Just for their own fun? Besides, they said they had been asleep before they noticed Doreen. She appeared later.

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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2007, 03:58:29 am »
Uhm no they surely weren't. You think Masa and Mune would go as far as to make people kill their best friends? Just for their own fun? Besides, they said they had been asleep before they noticed Doreen. She appeared later.
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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2007, 09:50:20 am »
Teenage angst? What's that?

In any case I'm sure Masa and Mune wouldn't do stuff like that. Sure they might love a fight, but what the Masamune did wasn't like them.

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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2008, 06:44:40 pm »
the masamune is made of dreamstone, so it has certain...  mythical properties.  it was the ability to REFLECT the heart of the wielder.  when pure hearts like glenn and cyrus used it, it appeared as a powerful two-handed sword.

in chrono cross, however, we know that it is a crimson, spiked sword that causes it's user to become psychotic.

i always assumed that post-trigger but pre-cross someone truly and completely evil obtained the masamune, and by reflecting that persons heart it was transformed into it's cross form.  (i think the chrono trigger psx remake ending showed the shadowy figure to hint this.)  then, the masamune remained in it's evil form until someone pure of heart would be able to override it's evil, turned into once more into a reflection of goodness.  karsh, dario, radius, and whoever used it in cross weren't pure of heart enough to turn the blade once more; the good in their hearts was not enough to override the evil contained in the blade.  however, once dario was defeated and freed by serge and company, serge's heart was pure enough to cause the masamune to once more reflect goodness.  however, because it reflects the user's heart, for serge it was a swallow instead of a sword.  when doreen joined her brothers, it powered up the masamune to become the mastermune, an even more powerful weapon.

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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2008, 07:07:58 pm »
Yeah, I knew that, but I figured what if there was more to it. Just speculation. No facts but that one line to back it up.

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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2008, 07:51:16 pm »
I don't know if it's a reflection or not...

But I think that Dreamstone's apparent properties are interesting to note...Since the Masamune has already been seen to absorb Magical energy...both against Magus' M. Defense & the stored Magic energy of the Mammon Machine...It's easy enough to say that it absorbed someone's evil heart's energy (like a dark chi or aura?) and that it took all of that time and those people to finally use up all of that evilness. This might further explain why someone apparently good like Dario could be corrupted, instead of saying it's him corrupting the sword further (or w/e)...eh? Mebby? idk...
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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2008, 04:22:06 pm »
i just assumed as good as dario was, the goodness in his heart was still weaker than the evil of the blade (because it was pretty freakin' evil).

then again... thats only believed if you look at my previous "theory".

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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2008, 02:26:27 am »
Yeah that's actually kinda weird. Why Dario? We didn't see him have any problems or jealousies in life, he had Riddel, he was strong, etc.
But keep in mind the ghost of Dario also appeared in him. Maybe that has something to do with it.

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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2008, 05:17:02 pm »
Why does everbody think that the Masamune FMV in CT's ending took place after the malfunction of Chronopolis? Maybe the sword was corrupt from the very begining after the deminsional split. Remember- both Masamune and Doreen (speculation) were absorbed by Lavos during CT, but Frog still had his Masamune afterward. Then, that ending would've never happened, if the CT team hadn't repaired the sword for Frog.

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Re: Cursed Masamune
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2008, 06:44:40 pm »
Why does everbody think that the Masamune FMV in CT's ending took place after the malfunction of Chronopolis? Maybe the sword was corrupt from the very begining after the deminsional split. Remember- both Masamune and Doreen (speculation) were absorbed by Lavos during CT, but Frog still had his Masamune afterward. Then, that ending would've never happened, if the CT team hadn't repaired the sword for Frog.

Wait, what? When were Masa, Mune, and Doreen absorbed by Lavos?