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« on: December 07, 2003, 02:24:21 am »
On the topic of the wild fluctuations of geography between time periods:  Keep in mind, the planet has a gigantic subterranean parasite living inside of it.  I think that could possibly account for some strange geological disturbances.  Heh, kind of makes me think of the Radiohead song "Subterranean Homesick Alien"...

As for Magus' island disappearing... I always saw that as some how being an effect of his attempt to summon Lavos.  Maybe.

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2003, 08:14:48 pm »
well lithe, i would say that too about magus' island, but then you have to account for the fact his island still exists in the 600 AD period.  Then again, Magus' actual fortress no longer exists after you go through the Lavos event.  Perhaps it is a gradual deterioration.

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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2004, 09:08:39 pm »
Regarding the changes from 12,000 BC to 600 and 1000 AD, and the increased water and displacement from the melting ice caps, perhaps Lavos had something to do with it? This goes into the debate concerning just how sentient Lavos might be, but perhaps it, realizing that the water might hinder the further development of humans, somehow removed the water?

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2004, 12:24:19 am »
As far as the discrepancy between 12,000 B.C. and 600 A.D., I support two previously presented theories: first, that all the continents and islands remaining after Zeal's fall are actually extremely high plateus. After all, who says that North Cape is really all that much higher in altitude than the rest of the Last Village continent? Perhaps North Cape "slopes down" only a slight bit, and the rest of the continent is a high plateu. And the mountain ranges are obviously the tallest in existence at that time. The second theory is that Zeal's fall, rather than producing an upsurge in addition to what would occur as the ice caps melting, actually jumpstarted the process of those ice caps melting. After all, Zeal seemed to be quite the tropical place, and it may have shattered large deposits of ice that were previously connected beneath the ocean. Also, that beam that Lavos fired towards Zeal would logically be a rather hot beam instead of some sub-zero blast of ice, likely melting some ice as well. So the flood at Zeal's fall was actually the end of the ice caps than some prologue to their melting. In that respect, it may be logical to assume that the waters eventually receeded some, being consumed both by the returning life and being more evenly distributed into the weather. As Mr. Oath described, Lavos also may have had some hand in drawing back the waters, as it still needed life to corrupt and consume before it was fully grown.

Now, regarding the north-to-south but. I would suggest NOT taking that globe at the end of the game as the real thing, but still not throwing away the idea of a globe. Who, honestly, is to say that the north pole is north of Guardia and that the south pole is south of Porre? Why can Guardia and Porre not MEET into one single pole, whereas the second pole is somewhere between the two on land - say around the latitude of Zenan Bridge? Just because the game may describe Guardia as "north" and Porre as "south" doesn't mean that, by our definitions, that is how they are. Consider a world that wraps between Guardia and Porre from north to south! Then, when you went north of Guardia, you pass the "North Pole" and wind up heading south through Porre to Guardia, despite the fact that the game makes it appear as though that is heading north! This not only solves the "problem" of the poles, but it also provides some interesting insight to Zenan culture - what do they consider north, and what do they consider south? In fact, do they even consider the points I've mentioned to be the actual poles, or is it somewhere else?

As far as the lack of ice cap deposits, do not automatically assume that the Chrono Trigger world is like ours as far as its status in the solar system is concerned. It does not necessarily spin on an latitudal axis, and it doesn't necessarily spin around the sun at the same time. For all we know, the Chrono Trigger world  is the center of the universe, and the sun spins around it! For all we know, the sun is close enough to Chrono Trigger's world to prevent the formation of ice caps, even on the "dark side" of the planet. Just because its inhabitants and geography may be similar to ours doesn't ascertain that its climate is the same, or the way they measure days and years. Rotation around the sun and various seasons may not be a realiable way for the people in Chrono Trigger to count their months and years, leading even further to the suggestion of a different solar system and a different climate. Assumption is, in this case, your worst enemy.

It always occured to me that Lavos had some hand in the disappearance of Magus's castle. I was never sure, but I believe I always had two theories: after all life left the island, Lavos safely brought it under the sea, or when Lavos was almost summoned, the temporal distortions consumed Magus's fortress and those within, banishing them to unknown locations and times (well, unknown for the actual fortress and any remaining Mystics), and at the same time affected the temporal and physical stability of the entire island, causing it to slowly break apart and sink over hundreds of years...

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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2004, 11:16:28 am »
About some islands disappearing, maybe they were just sent off to other dimensions like Dinopolis was?

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2004, 12:12:22 pm »
I think Lavos was probably responsible for the biggest changes that we see.  In fact, early in the game I think if you talk to someone in the inn, a small earthquake occurs and the person you are talking to remarks that it's been happening more often lately?  I don't remember really well, lol.

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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2004, 12:51:08 pm »
yes I don't remember any earthquake (at Truce at least), but a man indeed says that

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2004, 11:59:53 pm »
Maybe the burst of power generated by Magus's attempt at summoning Lavos caused his fort-continent to slowly (well, in geological time, quickly) sink into the sea.

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2006, 06:39:47 pm »
Inquiry

What are the geographical changes between the eras?

Answer

65000000 B.C.

One supercontinent exists, akin to "Pangea" in our own history. Lava flow is still active, meaning more land could be made. However, the flows presumably stopped soon after this date.

12000 B.C.

The continents have broken up roughly to the formation seen in the modern era, though the Choras continent is actually connected to southern Zenan, and Medina is a little more right than its future position. After Zeal fell, everything but the future Medina continent; eventually, the water levels returned to normal.

600 A.D.

The contents have aligned in four areas: northern Zenan, southern Zenan, Medina, and Choras.

1000 A.D.

The land Magus's Lair was situated on sunk in the last four hundred years, while the Giant's Claw rose up from the ocean floor.

1999 A.D.

The incomplete 1999 A.D. map is not reliable, as it uses the 1000 A.D. design (yet future civilization as shown in 2300 A.D. has infrastructure that could not exist in that configuration).

2300 A.D.

Several changes have taken place by 2300 A.D. Medina has seemingly rotated to the upper left counterclockwise to link with northern Zenan, whose left shore has eroded. This rotation does not include the area where Melchior's Hut was situated, as it now contains the Keeper's Dome and Sewer Access. Southern Zenan is largely missing, though evidence suggests it still existed before the apocalypse (the presence of a ruined skyscraper at the Sun Palace, which rose from the ocean floor). Apparently, Lavos's eruption decimated southern Zenan. Lastly, the continent of Choras is almost completely wiped out, save for the Geno Dome, suggesting that it also underwent duress from Lavos's eruption.

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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2006, 12:08:48 am »
Here's a few animated .gifs of transitions between the landmasses. Use them if you happen to find them useful. I can make higher quality, but they begin to get rather large in size, but if you want them I can make them.

All the time frames landmasses.
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ctlandmass5nt.gif

Prehistoric and 6500 BC
http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pretozeal2mf.gif

6500 BC and after the fall of Zeal
http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zealtofall3rn.gif

Fall of Zeal and 600 AD
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fallto6004gq.gif

6500 BC and 600 AD
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=6500to6000gg.gif

600 AD and Present
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=600topres1mn.gif

Present and Apocalypse
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=prestoapoc2tx.gif

Apocalype and Future
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=apoctofuture1wn.gif

Present and Future
http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=presenttofuture3jm.gif