Chrono Compendium Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.Did you miss your activation email? 1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever Login with username, password and session length News: Home Help Search Login Register Chrono Compendium » Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis » Magic, Elements, and Technology » Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « previous next » Print Pages: 1 [2] 3 Author Topic: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger (Read 8967 times) AuraTwilight Errare Explorer (+1500) Posts: 1524 Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #15 on: January 02, 2007, 07:00:53 pm » The four elements compose more than just magic though. In the CT universe, they compose EVERYTHING! Matter, energy, physical laws, the human soul, etc. Logged Zaperking Radical Dreamer (+2000) Posts: 2210 Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #16 on: January 03, 2007, 03:51:06 am » Quote from: AuraTwilight on January 02, 2007, 07:00:53 pmThe four elements compose more than just magic though. In the CT universe, they compose EVERYTHING! Matter, energy, physical laws, the human soul, etc.Not the soul because Robo himself said that the Epoch was being powered by the sum of all human spiritual energy. So in that case, if what you're saying was true, all that you'd need would be like 4 people with different magics to power up the Epoch, but it's not like that. Logged ZeaLitY Entity End of Timer (+10000) Posts: 10797 Spring Breeze Dancin' Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #17 on: January 03, 2007, 03:54:03 am » I don't think Robo's statement was scientifically literal, despite the existence of ghosts in the Chrono series...the Japanese version was more to the effect of "powered by / representing all human willpower." Logged Zaperking Radical Dreamer (+2000) Posts: 2210 Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #18 on: January 04, 2007, 08:02:26 pm » Quote from: ZeaLitY on January 03, 2007, 03:54:03 amI don't think Robo's statement was scientifically literal, despite the existence of ghosts in the Chrono series...the Japanese version was more to the effect of "powered by / representing all human willpower."Well that too wouldn't be made up of the 4 elements -- will power. Logged AuraTwilight Errare Explorer (+1500) Posts: 1524 Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #19 on: January 04, 2007, 08:33:31 pm » The will power is created by humans, which ARE created by the four elements. Logged Zaperking Radical Dreamer (+2000) Posts: 2210 Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #20 on: January 05, 2007, 03:19:45 am » Quote from: AuraTwilight on January 04, 2007, 08:33:31 pmThe will power is created by humans, which ARE created by the four elements.So? Lavos' energy comes from the planet, but you say it's not the same. Will power has nothing to do with magic, it's a persons, it's like their soul, and the soul is most probably beyond just 4 elements. Logged Chrono'99 Guru of Reason Emeritus God of War (+3000) Posts: 3605 Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #21 on: January 05, 2007, 06:34:19 am » Quote from: Spekkio Magic needs power of the heart. It needs inner strength. Magic is divided into 4 types: Lightning, Fire, Water, & Shadow.SPEKKIO: Not just magic, but EVERYTHING is based on the balance of these 4 powers.Spekkio = fact.Zaperking = pure speculation. Logged AuraTwilight Errare Explorer (+1500) Posts: 1524 Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #22 on: January 05, 2007, 08:22:07 pm » QuoteSo? Lavos' energy comes from the planet, but you say it's not the same. When did I say that? I said that Lavos's energy was different from the Elements of CC, but not the elements of the entire universe. Logged Zaperking Radical Dreamer (+2000) Posts: 2210 Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #23 on: January 06, 2007, 08:18:03 pm » Quote from: Chrono'99 on January 05, 2007, 06:34:19 amQuote from: Spekkio Magic needs power of the heart. It needs inner strength. Magic is divided into 4 types: Lightning, Fire, Water, & Shadow.SPEKKIO: Not just magic, but EVERYTHING is based on the balance of these 4 powers.Spekkio = fact.Zaperking = pure speculation.It doesn't say if it's everything physical, or spiritual. Heck, the DBT is all darkness. So pretty much Shadow. And who the hell knows WTF the Sea of Zurvan is like. Logged Chrono'99 Guru of Reason Emeritus God of War (+3000) Posts: 3605 Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #24 on: January 06, 2007, 08:41:09 pm » Quote from: Zaperking on January 06, 2007, 08:18:03 pmIt doesn't say if it's everything physical, or spiritual.It says it's everything. Simply, everything. Logged Magus068 Acacia Deva (+500) Posts: 578 Speak the truth, even it leads to your death! Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #25 on: January 08, 2007, 07:05:32 am » Isn't that the DBT is a place of eternal nothingness where not even a speck of dust exist? If so, DBT doesn't have any elemental dominance. Logged AuraTwilight Errare Explorer (+1500) Posts: 1524 Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #26 on: January 08, 2007, 06:56:39 pm » Not quite. It's an archive for deleted timelines, and those timelines are made of the four elements. Logged Magus068 Acacia Deva (+500) Posts: 578 Speak the truth, even it leads to your death! Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #27 on: January 16, 2007, 12:21:04 pm » Let me rephrase my question... How could any element exist if there's nothing there to begin with? How could a dimension or universe exist without anything at all? I like to point out that there's a paradox that Spekkio stated. Endless void= No element. Logged Chrono'99 Guru of Reason Emeritus God of War (+3000) Posts: 3605 Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #28 on: January 16, 2007, 05:45:20 pm » Quote from: Magus068 on January 16, 2007, 12:21:04 pmLet me rephrase my question... How could any element exist if there's nothing there to begin with? How could a dimension or universe exist without anything at all? I like to point out that there's a paradox that Spekkio stated. Endless void= No element.This is a metaphysical question. Chrono Trigger's purpose isn't to resolve such a question. Logged AuraTwilight Errare Explorer (+1500) Posts: 1524 Re: Alchemy in Chrono Trigger « Reply #29 on: January 16, 2007, 06:33:13 pm » I guess you could solve it with the fact that nothing exists in a void, and the four elements compose everything that exists. Logged Print Pages: 1 [2] 3 « previous next » Chrono Compendium » Enhasa Halls - Chrono Series Analysis » Magic, Elements, and Technology » Alchemy in Chrono Trigger