Alchemy in Chrono Trigger

[AuraTwilight]

The four elements compose more than just magic though. In the CT universe, they compose EVERYTHING! Matter, energy, physical laws, the human soul, etc.

[Zaperking]

The four elements compose more than just magic though. In the CT universe, they compose EVERYTHING! Matter, energy, physical laws, the human soul, etc.

Not the soul because Robo himself said that the Epoch was being powered by the sum of all human spiritual energy. So in that case, if what you're saying was true, all that you'd need would be like 4 people with different magics to power up the Epoch, but it's not like that.

[ZeaLitY]

I don't think Robo's statement was scientifically literal, despite the existence of ghosts in the Chrono series...the Japanese version was more to the effect of "powered by / representing all human willpower."

[Zaperking]

I don't think Robo's statement was scientifically literal, despite the existence of ghosts in the Chrono series...the Japanese version was more to the effect of "powered by / representing all human willpower."

Well that too wouldn't be made up of the 4 elements -- will power.

[AuraTwilight]

The will power is created by humans, which ARE created by the four elements.

[Zaperking]

The will power is created by humans, which ARE created by the four elements.

So? Lavos' energy comes from the planet, but you say it's not the same.
Will power has nothing to do with magic, it's a persons, it's like their soul, and the soul is most probably beyond just 4 elements.

[Chrono'99]

   Magic needs power of the heart.
   It needs inner strength.

   Magic is divided into 4 types:
   Lightning, Fire, Water, & Shadow.

SPEKKIO: Not just magic, but
   EVERYTHING is based on the balance
   of these 4 powers.

Spekkio = fact.
Zaperking = pure speculation.

[AuraTwilight]

So? Lavos' energy comes from the planet, but you say it's not the same.

When did I say that? I said that Lavos's energy was different from the Elements of CC, but not the elements of the entire universe.

[Zaperking]

   Magic needs power of the heart.
   It needs inner strength.

   Magic is divided into 4 types:
   Lightning, Fire, Water, & Shadow.

SPEKKIO: Not just magic, but
   EVERYTHING is based on the balance
   of these 4 powers.

Spekkio = fact.
Zaperking = pure speculation.

It doesn't say if it's everything physical, or spiritual. Heck, the DBT is all darkness. So pretty much Shadow. And who the hell knows WTF the Sea of Zurvan is like.

[Chrono'99]

It doesn't say if it's everything physical, or spiritual.

It says it's everything. Simply, everything.

[Magus068]

Isn't that the DBT is a place of eternal nothingness where not even a speck of dust exist? If so, DBT doesn't have any elemental dominance.

[AuraTwilight]

Not quite. It's an archive for deleted timelines, and those timelines are made of the four elements.

[Magus068]

Let me rephrase my question...   How could any element exist if there's nothing there to begin with?  How could a dimension or universe exist without anything at all? I like to point out that there's a paradox that Spekkio stated.  Endless void= No element.

[Chrono'99]

Let me rephrase my question...   How could any element exist if there's nothing there to begin with?  How could a dimension or universe exist without anything at all? I like to point out that there's a paradox that Spekkio stated.  Endless void= No element.

This is a metaphysical question. Chrono Trigger's purpose isn't to resolve such a question.

[AuraTwilight]

I guess you could solve it with the fact that nothing exists in a void, and the four elements compose everything that exists.