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NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« on: October 09, 2006, 06:27:04 am »
North Korea has just announced it's first Nuclear test in the mountains of whateveritsnameis. Outcry from major countries, such as China, Japan, Australia, USA and the obvious South Korea erupted, at the sight of a bleak future of the world in the hands of a nuclear power, more threatening than the likes of Iran.

But is it really such a big threat?
Don't countries make these sorts of claims all the time?
Isn't North Korea that little country above...whatsitcalled...South Korea?
Is it Kim Jong Il or Kim Jong 2?
Doesn't the USA have 22000 nuclear weapons, what's it afraid of?


These are all questions needing to be answered by the...

CHRONO COMPENDIUM BRIGADE!

Is it time to have armed UN officials yet, to try and prevent these global shooters?
« Last Edit: October 09, 2006, 06:29:18 am by Burning Zeppelin »

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Re: NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2006, 11:28:56 am »
Wikipedia rules in this regard for compiling EVERYTHING about news in the initial stages of a story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_North_Korean_nuclear_test

Check out the country reactions.

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Benita Ferrero-Waldner, the Commissioner for External Relations, stated that the EU have no plans to cut humanitarian aid to North Korea but stressed the tests were "unacceptable".

Aw, have a little backbone! But I like how the entire goddamn world is totally opposed to this. If they try anything, it looks like the entire United Nations will utterly beat the christ out of them.

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Wang Guangya, the Chinese permanent representative to the United Nations had earlier stated that "no one is going to protect North Korea" if it engages in "bad behaviour".

What I don't like is how this might fuel the entire US ideology right now. Nothing like a little gloom and doom on the horizon to make the approval rating go up and conservative support skyrocket.
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Re: NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2006, 01:36:51 pm »
Jesus H. Christ. I don't know why everybody is making such a fuss over this -- and before calling me out, remember that North Korea's been a backwater bunch of jackass hicks for years now; it's only now that they're showing their claim to fame in pissing off the entire known world. Hell, I applaud North Korea for showing off more than Paris Hilton -- maybe now the United Nations will get their nuts and bolts in gear and actually do something about this that doesn't involve sanctions or other ignorable "warnings."

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Re: NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2006, 03:27:21 pm »
The UN and the EU aren't going to be the ones to do anything about this. Probably not even the US, despite Karl Rove's statements about an October surprise. At least, not as the leading role. No, it's going to be China. China is North Korea's one ally. Think about that. There are about 200 countries in the world, and only one of them has had North Koreas back in any way shape or form for years. And now China has had it with their shit. That quote Zeality posted is a summary of the end of current government in North Korea. Because of Kim Jong-Il's insane policies, most of North Korea, except his inner circle and the army, are starving. The country is proped up entirely by international aid.

Without China's support, North Korea is completely alone in the world. And despite all of it's posturing, it isn't as strong as it like the world to believe. I wouldn't be surprised if China soon said "Fuck it" and annexed North Korea. It would take about half an hour, maybe forty five minutes. That's probably the most peaceful scenario. The violent one being China, Russia, The US, South Korea, Japan, and Australia ganging up and turning North Korea in to the worlds largest parking lot. But there is no scenario from here on out where North Korea comes out on top.

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Re: NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2006, 06:07:20 pm »
If Taepodong was any indication, they don't have the level of missile technology needed to actually hit us here in the U.S., so I'm not worried about that.

The problem with a military strike is South Korea's proximity.  If any kind of attack was massed against North Korea, it'd take Kim Jong-Il's gun batteries about 30 minutes to pound Seoul into dust.  The kind of strike necessary to knock out enough of them to prevent that from happening may be beyond U.S. capabilities, especially since we're tied down in Iraq.  I have friends serving in Seoul, and I'd rather they made it home in one piece.

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2006, 12:48:59 am »
I need to make some phone calls.  There's a butt load of people who bet against me back in 1999 when I said N. Korea would have the nuke by 2010.   I was serving in S. Korea at the time.

I think what we really need to concern ourselves about here is, unlike Iraq, North Korea can and will sell nuclear tech and weapons to criminals and terrorists if the price is right, especially if the world decides to cut of humanitarian aid.  It'll be like Team America: World Police.  Only with less sex and more death.

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Re: NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2006, 01:47:14 am »
But...but...I like sex more than death. Shit. Well, you served over in that region, so you've probably got a much better grasp than I do on the political situation on the penninsula. What can be done at this point?

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Re: NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2006, 03:04:57 pm »
Nothing...

Why shouldn't they be allowed to test them? Even if they start firing everywhere in the world, they will bring about their own demise.

I know it may be a security risk, but, we the U.S. can do anything we want without anyone complaining about us . . .

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Re: NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2006, 03:12:35 pm »
Off-topic, but Magus22, you have 666 posts!  :shock:

Anyways, it kinda sucks knowing that you can't stop some people from having their way... >_>,

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Re: NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2006, 03:35:51 pm »
I know it may be a security risk, but, we the U.S. can do anything we want without anyone complaining about us . . .

You don't read the news, do you?

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Re: NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2006, 05:29:28 pm »
I know it may be a security risk, but, we the U.S. can do anything we want without anyone complaining about us . . .

You don't read the news, do you?

I do. It just seems that way most of the time. I am not concerned with anyone testing nuclear or other type weapons as long as it's either in a barren area or underground.

Off-topic, but Magus22, you have 666 posts!  :shock:

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Re: NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2006, 08:14:49 pm »
I know it may be a security risk, but, we the U.S. can do anything we want without anyone complaining about us . . .

You don't read the news, do you?

I do. It just seems that way most of the time. I am not concerned with anyone testing nuclear or other type weapons as long as it's either in a barren area or underground.

I ask, because there was recently a meeting at the UN in which a great deal of complaning about United States policies went on. Not to mention the international antipathy toward the war in Iraq. Plenty of people complain when the US does something they don't like, just as the US complains when other countries do things it doesn't like.

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Re: NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2006, 08:28:50 pm »
I say good job to North Korea. Finally somebody is standing up to the UN, which doesn't even have any power, and is doing what they want. The USA has veto powers and does what they want, and yet they don't get charged with anything. They just get bad media (the administration). North Korea, like any other country can do what they want. The point here is that no country would be in their right mind to attack America at all, knowing that they have 2000+ nukes on hand, whilst NK or Iran only have like 1 (NK would be developing more ofcourse).

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Re: NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2006, 09:36:46 pm »
I say good job to North Korea. Finally somebody is standing up to the UN, which doesn't even have any power, and is doing what they want. The USA has veto powers and does what they want, and yet they don't get charged with anything. They just get bad media (the administration). North Korea, like any other country can do what they want. The point here is that no country would be in their right mind to attack America at all, knowing that they have 2000+ nukes on hand, whilst NK or Iran only have like 1 (NK would be developing more ofcourse).
You wouldn't be thinking that when you're on the ground dying due to radiation fallout. Whether or not it is a real threat, NK has threatened to nuclear strike if sanctions are kept in place. North Korea shouldn't be allowed to do whatever they want, as no other country should; if I wanted my country to slaughter your people, would you accept that? No, unless you are morally retarded. Also, Iran has no nuclear weapons, and it'll be a while before they even have that capability.

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Re: NKII: The Nuclear Boogaloo
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2006, 07:35:34 pm »
I say good job to North Korea. Finally somebody is standing up to the UN, which doesn't even have any power, and is doing what they want. The USA has veto powers and does what they want, and yet they don't get charged with anything. They just get bad media (the administration). North Korea, like any other country can do what they want. The point here is that no country would be in their right mind to attack America at all, knowing that they have 2000+ nukes on hand, whilst NK or Iran only have like 1 (NK would be developing more ofcourse).
You wouldn't be thinking that when you're on the ground dying due to radiation fallout. Whether or not it is a real threat, NK has threatened to nuclear strike if sanctions are kept in place. North Korea shouldn't be allowed to do whatever they want, as no other country should; if I wanted my country to slaughter your people, would you accept that? No, unless you are morally retarded. Also, Iran has no nuclear weapons, and it'll be a while before they even have that capability.

It's quite obvious if your country went out to slaughter mine, then my country would retaliate in the same manor. NK isn't stupid enough to go against America. But then again, would America really send off like 10 nukes at NK to destroy the whole area if they do launch an attack on us?