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frogrules

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The end of time?
« on: July 28, 2006, 06:06:51 pm »
Is it really affected by time and the timeline?  Wouldn't it always be there no matter what??? And did Alfador.. er whoever The Entity is make it knowing that it would be used as a place for Crono and them to save the world?

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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2006, 02:20:46 am »
I don't think it was really "made", per se. It's what exists in the absence of the normal flow of time, so arriving there is a natural consequence of leaving the flow of time.

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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2006, 02:29:16 am »
Exactly how did the end of time get there anyway.The guru was sent there to find complete nothingness. Did stuff happen to show up in that timeline for him to build it?

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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2006, 04:15:08 am »
The platform you see was most likely assembled from materials that were somehow ejected from time. The End of Time is not just the platform, it's the darkness surounding it.

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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2006, 06:11:56 am »
Maybe that The End Of Time is a pocket dimension that connects all eras since that The End Of Time & the Bend Of Time is strikingly similar.
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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2006, 06:30:30 am »
My opinion is that the platform as well as Spekkio itself are Gaspar's dream. Apart from that, the End of Time is basically empty.

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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2006, 11:29:14 am »
The End of Time is merely the point of least resistance in the space time continuum. One could theorize that it's the darkness after the universe closes at the Big Crunch. But since the Big Crunch is merely an end to matter and not to time, well there you go. When Gaspar was poofed there, he could've pulled a Galactus on us and his dreams created the platform and Spekkio, a dream that will continue to grow into a foundation of a new universe.

Or it could be some pocket dimension like Sprigg's home, who knows?

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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2006, 01:15:19 am »
Ahh thanks for your opinions......

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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2006, 06:26:36 pm »
The End of time was never really made, there is no end of time because time is a man made organization! Time goes on forever! The entity probably made a time gate to the time where all of mankind is dead or before all mankind exsit. I think the old man is the Entity because he is the only living thing at the end of time.

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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2006, 11:55:11 pm »
I like think of the End of Time as being a kernel or null space for all space/time continua; it's both simultaneously where all space/time begins and ends.  As for the Entity's envolvement, we know nothing about the Entity except that it was mentioned by the CT heroes during the campfire sequence who were looking at the big picture and trying to rationalize why it was that they were going through their quest.  The Entity could be a god or a mortal being or it could just be the heroes putting themselves in perspective with everything they had experienced.

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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2006, 12:17:44 am »
Maybe robo died and was seeing his life flash before his eyes, because Ayle and robo did mention that and at the end Lucca noticed since they changed the future robo doesnt exsit

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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2006, 01:32:13 pm »
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The End of time was never really made, there is no end of time because time is a man made organization! Time goes on forever! The entity probably made a time gate to the time where all of mankind is dead or before all mankind exsit. I think the old man is the Entity because he is the only living thing at the end of time.

Time DOES exist. Because you travel through it. Duh. And the End of Time doesn't have to be a literal End of Time, but I digress. The Old Man is Gaspar, and he's not the Entity. He didn't survive the end of the world, just Time Traveled. He's no different than Crono and co. Which means by your logic they're all Entities. Anyway, the Entity is one who was alive the entire time Lavos plagued the Earth, and it's life was threatened by Lavos' Awakening. Also, this Entity has the ability to manipulate time. Thus, as most of us agree, the Entity is the spirit of the Planet.

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I like think of the End of Time as being a kernel or null space for all space/time continua; it's both simultaneously where all space/time begins and ends.

I like this idea.

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Maybe robo died and was seeing his life flash before his eyes, because Ayle and robo did mention that and at the end Lucca noticed since they changed the future robo doesnt exsit

Lucca said that she was afraid that he MIGHT not exist. But Marle and the others consoled her and assured that Robo would exist in the new future. Which he does. When the group time travels through all the different eras to look for Crono's mother, you can see Robo and Atropos holding hands in a beautiful, peaceful 2300 AD. To say nothing of getting Chrono Cross involved.

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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2006, 04:51:49 am »
The End of Time is merely the point of least resistance in the space time continuum. One could theorize that it's the darkness after the universe closes at the Big Crunch. But since the Big Crunch is merely an end to matter and not to time, well there you go. When Gaspar was poofed there, he could've pulled a Galactus on us and his dreams created the platform and Spekkio, a dream that will continue to grow into a foundation of a new universe.

Or it could be some pocket dimension like Sprigg's home, who knows?

Think so? Why would matter and not time end in the Big Crunch? If those three spacial dimensions were destroyed, why not the temporal?

I've before figured that the EOT was a Black Hole, the selfsame one that Earth is destined to a long time forward in the future. Figuring that ever spacial point has its own temporal line, one might say that Black Holes act sort of like temporal matter, a collision and cessassion point, as it were. I've gone into this idea in detail before, but to make it short...
A Black Hole acts like a whilrpool, right? It draws in matter, and also bends time. If you spread it out and give it a physical analogy, you could say that a Black Hold is the point of least resistance, at least for any spacial point that in the end intersects it. Normally, though, it would be impossible to reach this place, because the black hole would destroy you. However, the Epoch's and Gate's time travelling abilities get around that effect, and essentially teleport one into the middle of the Black Hole. Of course, that's a very flawed theory, seeing as by nature time would be stopped, so no-one in the EOT would be going anywhere. But Chrono Trigger doesn't really seem to care that much about being 100% correct. Nonetheless, it does strike me as either being a Black Hole or, either, as someone said, the end of universal time. This seems to fit best with Gaspar's comments.

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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2006, 11:37:27 am »

Think so? Why would matter and not time end in the Big Crunch? If those three spacial dimensions were destroyed, why not the temporal?

With the collapse of our Universe in due time, everything ceases to exist. All of the billions of stars, billions of galaxies, black holes, life and all stellar matter will be annihilated. If our Universe hits a "stopping" point and ceases to create space (since right now this very second, the Universe is still being created) then we will be crushed by Dark Matter. Time is a factor of the Universe, and with no Universe, time ceases to exist as well. Funny . . . time, a powerful constant of everything in the Universe could be destroyed. Doesn't that make you think?

I've before figured that the EOT was a Black Hole, the selfsame one that Earth is destined to a long time forward in the future. Figuring that ever spacial point has its own temporal line, one might say that Black Holes act sort of like temporal matter, a collision and cessassion point, as it were. I've gone into this idea in detail before, but to make it short...
A Black Hole acts like a whilrpool, right? It draws in matter, and also bends time. If you spread it out and give it a physical analogy, you could say that a Black Hold is the point of least resistance, at least for any spacial point that in the end intersects it. Normally, though, it would be impossible to reach this place, because the black hole would destroy you. However, the Epoch's and Gate's time travelling abilities get around that effect, and essentially teleport one into the middle of the Black Hole. Of course, that's a very flawed theory, seeing as by nature time would be stopped, so no-one in the EOT would be going anywhere. But Chrono Trigger doesn't really seem to care that much about being 100% correct. Nonetheless, it does strike me as either being a Black Hole or, either, as someone said, the end of universal time. This seems to fit best with Gaspar's comments.

A black hole is our friendly space vacuum cleaner. Space is actually very dirty and disgusting, so maybe black holes are good for something other than eating space debris, other stars and even planetoids. In order to go beyond the black hole, one must penetrate its event horizon, which is the point of no return. In terms of no return, gravity is so powerful that not even light may escape. You have to exceed the speed of light and still be going much faster to enter into the black holes domain. If you fail, you will be disintegrated as your body and/or ship is heated to millions of degrees as you create friction on the accretion disk. Or you might just fall directly towards the event horizon. If you succeed, you will be flying towards the singularity faster than the speed of light which may result in time travel or destruction anyways. It's best to stay away from black holes. I may be able to theorize with you though! If you believe the EOT is a black hole, or in a black hole for that matter, it may be true. For starters, every black hole's core is the singularity where space time itself is mixed and warped. It's also believed to carry remnants of the previous star that went supernova in the first place. Secondly, the singularity would be an ideal place for the Chronoverses EOT, really. It does fit the picture where as time is almost at some sort of stand still, time is mixed (theory of time travel within black hole) and in CT you can travel to different parts of the world in from controlled and stable pillars of light. However, one may suggest why this particular black hole's singularity would be concentrated on the CT/CC planet and not have other connections with the many different areas of the Universe. That's the only flaw I can see in your black hole EOT theory.


Quick Fun Fact: When we look up at the stars and we see one that is brighter than the rest, that could actually be the illusion of a black hole in front of the star light we see from Earth because the light is reflected and bent around the black hole. When you look up at night, check out the stars, you never know if a black hole may be manipulating the light of the star you see!

EDIT: fun fact ^ ^
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Re: The end of time?
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2006, 10:23:06 pm »
Quick Fun Fact: When we look up at the stars and we see one that is brighter than the rest, that could actually be the illusion of a black hole in front of the star light we see from Earth because the light is reflected and bent around the black hole. When you look up at night, check out the stars, you never know if a black hole may be manipulating the light of the star you see!

EDIT: fun fact ^ ^

a black hole affecting a strlight would only happen in a split second so you wont notice it because a black hole travels so fast......passing through a star may affect the star light but again its only for a split second....