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« on: March 05, 2004, 09:09:42 pm »
What exactly happened in the "Time Crash", anyway? Was it isolated to Chronopolis, or did it affect all time?

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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2004, 07:39:50 am »
After Crono slain Lavos, the Frozen Flame was found in the new timeline and Chronopolis was built.
In 2300AD, studying the Frozen Flame, Chronopolis' scientists wanted to use it to gain control over the whole time-space continuum. Belthasar helped in the process but planned everything so that someone could blabla etc. save Schala and all. He 'disappeared' some time after (in fact he went to the post-Time Crash's 1000AD~1010AD).
In 2400AD, when Chronopolis finally managed to trigger their 'counter-time experience', the Frozen Flame sent back Chronopolis some thousands years into the past, so that it would change History and give Lavos another chance of destroying the Planet!
But the Planet tried to counter this by bringing from a different dimension what was meant to be its masterpiece, Dinopolis, the futuristic capital of the Dragonians, descendants of Azala. Then the Polis War began, opposing Chronopolis & FATE vs. Dinopolis and Dragon God.
Dinopolis lost. FATE built El Nido etc. The Humans and the surviving Dragonians lived together *quite* peacefully (until Porre arrived in 900AD). The weakened Dragon God was divided in 6 by FATE using the Frozen Flame, and thus the real 'soul' of the DG was consumed by Lavos the Devourer of Time.

So, basically, the Time Crash sent Chronopolis into the past, and also brought Dinopolis from another dimension. And it then affected and changed the CT timeline.

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2004, 09:53:10 pm »
Then what exactly is the dead seas connection to the Sea of eden?

I though the dead sea was a time crash of the 2300 future that couldn't exist because of what crono did.  Am I wrong?

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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2004, 12:05:41 am »
Quote from: Kid at Chronopolis

Kid: Terra Tower... It’s come back to life again...! In the year 2400, during a
counter-time experiment, the Flame goes out of control... This causes the dimensions
to rip apart, resultin’ in the Time Crash. Engulfed in an enormous dimensional vortex,
Chronopolis was hurled ten thousand years back in time. Perhaps it was the awakenin’
Lavos who pulled the Frozen Flame back through time to it. Maybe so that Lavos, who
saw the possiblity that some young adventurers might destroy it, could create a backup
plan
. But that ain’t all... At the same time, another city from a different dimension’s
future, was also thrown back in time. Dinopolis... The future city of the Reptites --
Azala’s descendants, who had evolved more closely with the planet. Just as Lavos, in
an attempt to save itself, summoned Chronopolis from the distant future... Perhaps
our planet beckoned Dinopolis into the past... maybe as a measure against Chronopolis
and humanity. It wan’t the Dragon Gods who sealed up the Frozen Flame! It was FATE,
which used the Flame’s power to divide and seal the Dragons in slumber! And now that
FATE has been defeated, the Dragons will join together again to start their revenge!


Kid said that, perhaps, Lavos's awakening called the Flame to IT. But is well acknowledged, until now, that the nearest Lavos awakening was in 12.000 BC, and so : Why Chronopolis was hurled to around 10.000 BC and not 12.000 BC ?

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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2004, 04:46:42 pm »
Perhaps the flying through time was not sudden, and the Chronopolisians were able to stablize the flame before it could be used to pull them all the way back?

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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2004, 12:08:24 am »
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Perhaps the flying through time was not sudden, and the Chronopolisians were able to stablize the flame before it could be used to pull them all the way back?


Lets leave as this, for the sake of our sanity...

Look at this
Quote from: Kid to the Frozen Flame

An ancient magical kingdom...?
That you destroyed ten thousan' year ago...?
What are ya talkin' about?
Stop it...
I don't know nothin' !
I'm...
I'm Kid!! I'm myself and nobody else.

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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2004, 11:02:49 am »
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Quote from: Epsilon
Perhaps the flying through time was not sudden, and the Chronopolisians were able to stablize the flame before it could be used to pull them all the way back?


Lets leave as this, for the sake of our sanity...

Look at this
Quote from: Kid to the Frozen Flame

An ancient magical kingdom...?
That you destroyed ten thousan' year ago...?
What are ya talkin' about?
Stop it...
I don't know nothin' !
I'm...
I'm Kid!! I'm myself and nobody else.

Well, in Radical Dreamers, it was implied the Frozen Flame was the core of the Mammon Machine... It is much less suggested in Chrono Cross, so if we can't assume the FF was inside the MM, that "you" could just refers to Lavos.

EDIT : I'm speaking about the "natural" FF, not the one which came from the future.

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2004, 12:41:59 am »
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Well, in Radical Dreamers, it was implied the Frozen Flame was the core of the Mammon Machine... It is much less suggested in Chrono Cross, so if we can't assume the FF was inside the MM, that "you" could just refers to Lavos.

EDIT : I'm speaking about the "natural" FF, not the one which came from the future.


What your opnion about the Magical Kingdom has been destroyed 10 thousands ago (counting from 1020 a.d) and not 12 thousands ?

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2004, 05:38:19 am »
ohh, I didn't notice that... sorry, I understand what's your point now. So, Chronopolis' Frozen Flame was actually brought back to 12,000BC it seems! It blows out the common "7,600BC" now.

The kingdom's destruction responsable is either the original Frozen Flame or Lavos though, since Chronopolis didn't exist until Lavos dies.

Well, too bad Magus doesn't seem to have been involved somewhere in there!

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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2005, 12:58:04 pm »
Quote from: Swordmaster
Quote from: Kid at Chronopolis

Kid: Terra Tower... It€™s come back to life again...! In the year 2400, during a
counter-time experiment, the Flame goes out of control... This causes the dimensions
to rip apart, resultin€™ in the Time Crash. Engulfed in an enormous dimensional vortex,
Chronopolis was hurled ten thousand years back in time. Perhaps it was the awakenin€™
Lavos who pulled the Frozen Flame back through time to it. Maybe so that Lavos, who
saw the possiblity that some young adventurers might destroy it, could create a backup
plan
.


I've always wondered the mechanics of how it created a backup plan. What was the backup plan and how did it work? And why does the Flame go out of control causing the Time Crash? It says the awakening of Lavos. But why would Lavos directly link to the time period of 2400 where the flame was. He could've pulled the flame from any time period couldn't he?

Sorry if none of this is making sense...I was just thinking recently about The Time Crash and why everything happened like it did.

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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2005, 02:39:00 pm »
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Quote from: Swordmaster
Quote from: Kid at Chronopolis

Kid: Terra Tower... It’s come back to life again...! In the year 2400, during a
counter-time experiment, the Flame goes out of control... This causes the dimensions
to rip apart, resultin’ in the Time Crash. Engulfed in an enormous dimensional vortex,
Chronopolis was hurled ten thousand years back in time. Perhaps it was the awakenin’
Lavos who pulled the Frozen Flame back through time to it. Maybe so that Lavos, who
saw the possiblity that some young adventurers might destroy it, could create a backup
plan
.


I've always wondered the mechanics of how it created a backup plan. What was the backup plan and how did it work? And why does the Flame go out of control causing the Time Crash? It says the awakening of Lavos. But why would Lavos directly link to the time period of 2400 where the flame was. He could've pulled the flame from any time period couldn't he?

Sorry if none of this is making sense...I was just thinking recently about The Time Crash and why everything happened like it did.


The "backup plan" was that the Flame was a part of Lavos, literally. Because the flame was a piece of Lavos, and was still attached to the timeline, Lavos was still technically alive through the Flame. So by doing whatever Lavos did to attach itself to Schala and having the Flame still be on the timeline Lavos could still exist in the DBT.

The Flame doesn't go out of control, the experiment in Chronopolis was structured around the Flame. The experiment was supposed to allow them to control space-time or something, I forgot exactly what. But instead the Flame sent the area back to whenever it did, allowing Lavos to do what it did to get into the DBT attached to Schala.

It couldn't have pulled the Flame back to any time because Lavos was already killed by the time of the experiment. So only in places that it emerges from the PD can it do anything. And since the group prevented Lavos from emerging in 1999 the only place left was 12,000.  

Yea there is a good amount of filler needed there, but I am not capable of explaining the means of how Lavos pulled off it's plan exactly. If I was only a parasitic space creature...

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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2005, 02:38:43 pm »
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The "backup plan" was that the Flame was a part of Lavos, literally. Because the flame was a piece of Lavos, and was still attached to the timeline, Lavos was still technically alive through the Flame.


So if my arm was cut off, and then I was killed, I would still be alive through my arm? Or does this apply only to Lavos?

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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2005, 03:07:25 pm »
This applies to Lavos, and some other creatures.

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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2005, 05:59:31 pm »
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The "backup plan" was that the Flame was a part of Lavos, literally. Because the flame was a piece of Lavos, and was still attached to the timeline, Lavos was still technically alive through the Flame.


So if my arm was cut off, and then I was killed, I would still be alive through my arm? Or does this apply only to Lavos?




Well once seperated from your body your arm would shortly there after die. We dont have the ability to keep part of ourselves alive.  Lavos apparently does.

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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2005, 07:36:28 pm »
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The "backup plan" was that the Flame was a part of Lavos, literally. Because the flame was a piece of Lavos, and was still attached to the timeline, Lavos was still technically alive through the Flame.


So if my arm was cut off, and then I was killed, I would still be alive through my arm? Or does this apply only to Lavos?


At the least Lavos's species, due to the fact that it can interact with the flame itself.