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« on: February 06, 2006, 02:36:56 am »
This is my list. Feel free to comment or add your own.

10. Final Fantasy 10 - PS2
  9. Lunar:EB - PS
  8. Suikoden 2 - PS
  7. Skies of Arcadia - DC
  6. Earthbound - SNES
  5. Breath of Fire 3 - PS
  4. Suikoden - PS
  3. Lunar:SSSC - PS
  2. Final Fantasy 3/6 - SNES
  1. Chrono Trigger - SNES

Honorable mentions to Grandia 2(DC), Lufia 2(SNES), Xenogears(PS), Super Mario RPG(SNES), FF7(PS), Star Ocean TSS(PS) and several others, because this was a hard list to make. Well, after 1 and 2 anyway.

Also, I didnt include any "tactics" type RPGs (FF Tactics, Tactics Ogre), or "adventure" RPGs (Zelda, Illusion of Gaia, Secret of Mana) otherwise my list would look different in some places.

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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2006, 03:06:53 am »
I am seriously limited in my ability to write a good list, because I've never played many of the most highly regarded RPGs, including everything from Star Ocean, to Xenogears, to Suikoden. However, I can make a list of my three favorite RPGs, for whatever it's worth:

3. Secret of Mana
2. Final Fantasy VI
1. Chrono Trigger

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2006, 07:32:09 am »
Among the ones I`ve played the list would be more or less:

1. Chrono Cross
2. Vagrant Story
3. Chrono Trigger
4. Ultima Online
5. Final Fantasy VII
6. Diablo II
7. Dragon Quest VIII
8. Baldur's Gate II
9. Final Fantasy XII
10. Final Fantasy VIII

[FF XII included at Apr. 8th]

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2006, 09:12:20 am »
Hmmmm, mine would be...

1. Chrono Trigger
2. Final Fantasy 7
3. Kingdom Hearts 2
4. Xenogears
5. Final Fantasy 8
6. Grandia (1)
7. Chrono Cross
8. Final Fantasy X-2
9. Star Ocean 3
10. Final Fantasy X

My explaination:
I haven't included PC RPGs in this (If I had, Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 and Neverwinter Nights, as well as maybe Morrowind would feature) I haven't included 'Radical Dreamers' even though it's one of my all time favourites, because it's more like a text adventure, and the original 'main' scenario is pretty short. Legend of Zelda, Ocarina of Time and the Wind Waker are two of my big faves, but they're not really as much 'RPGs' as the others.

1. CT is the best RPG I have ever played. Umm, yeah that's why I'm here. It balances gameplay and plot, has memorable scenes and characters and is extremely high quality, it feels like a lot of people put real effort into it.
2. FF7, some people don't like it, personally, I think the cyberpunk atmosphere, great music, detailed backdrops and convoluted plotline all work together really well to make a memorable game.
3. I'm in Japan right now, so I've played and completed this. It's actually one of the best games I've played in years. It feels like an all round quality game (oh since I'm here, I can also inform you that sadly, Dirge of Cerberus is utterly crap...no, really, it's a shoddy, rushed out game.)
4. If the second disk hadn't been so rushed, this would be number one or two. Fantastic plotline, interesting battles, wonderful music...big robots.
5. The first console RPG I ever played. Loads of people hate FF8, and I admit, it's a flawed game in gameplay and plot, but it has an atmosphere and artistry that no other game I've played shares, oh and the best cutscene coreography of any game...ever.
6. Tough coin toss between Grandia 1 and 2 here. Three also seems good, but the plot is just a bit too complex for my Japanese, so I can't tell enough to add it to the list -_- I think 1 wins out on creativity and storyline, but 2 has the crazy ending and also Millenia, who rocks.
7. Chrono Cross! Great storyline, Fantastic music, maybe too many characters and a rather wierd battle system, but it was trying to be different and I respect that.
8. NO, I'M NOT CRAZY! Oi! Stop laughing! I like FFX-2 okay!? Why? Maybe it's a girl thing, I just liked the idea of the main heroine being a nineteen year old girl who acts like a nineteen year old girl rather than a self righteous 'I stand here supporting the hero and being nice!' little wuss. It was fun, creative, and unlike any other RPG I've ever played.
9. I've only played a little of SO 1 and 2, otherwise they would probably rate above this, as I hear they're better. But SO3 is a solid game, good graphics, cool battle system, decent voice acting, very good music.
10. FFX rates below FFX-2 for me because FFX-2 was the more creative and doesn't have battles that last ten minutes each. FFX does have good music, a sound, if predictable, plot, an interesting, strategy based battle system and some memorable moments.

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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2006, 09:20:29 am »
Quote from: Darth Mongoose
oh since I'm here, I can also inform you that sadly, Dirge of Cerberus is utterly crap...no, really, it's a shoddy, rushed out game.


OMG do not shatter my dreams :( Is it really that bad? :/ GameSpot`s briefing on the game sounded so nice... But still `twas just a briefing :/

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2006, 06:50:18 pm »
5 - Secret of Mana
4 - Tales of Phantasia
3 - Terranigma (that or Illusion of Gaia)
2 - Final Fantasy...(6, 8 or 9)
1 - Chrono Trigger

But then..."Nerdish RPGs"
5 - Diablo !!
4 - Warcraft !!!
3 - Planescape: Torment
2 - Morrowing
1 - Neverwinter Nights

So I haven't played half of them  :roll:

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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2006, 08:44:40 pm »
1.) Final Fantasy 4:  The grandfather of Modern RPGs.  Great story, great characters, more influence than any other RPG, save the ones that actual created the genre.

2.) Chrono Trigger:  'nuff said.

3.) Final Fantasy 6:  This one usally ties on my list to CT, but meh.  Everything you would want out of an RPG.  Great story, characters, etc etc.  The thing special about this is the number of characters you had (16), and they all had reasonable character development, making CC cry.

4.) Ogre Battle 64:  Strategy RPG.  Defeats Fire Emblem in that you can bring people back, and (imo) defeats FFT in story, plus this is a bit more strategy oriented.  I loved the story, loved the characters.

5.) Seiken Densetsu 3/Secret of Mana 2:  Takes the action RPG goodness of Secret of Mana, and gives more interesting heros, and a better storyline.  The 3 branching story arcs depending on your main character was nice, as well as getting to choose a part of 3 people (out of 6) at the begining.  I also thought the gameplay was good as well.

6.) Final Fantasy 7:  Good story, good characters, a very solid RPG in every respect.  The materia system was good as well.

7.) Fire Emblem 6:  This, boys and girls, is the Fire Emblem game that Roy from Super Smash Bros Melee is from.  Of the GBA fire emblem games, this was the hardest.  The story was superior to FE7 (US Fire Emblem), as was the length.  The scope of its story really dwarfs FE7's in comparision.  My favorite FE game so far.

8.) Secret of Mana:  Great gameplay, this was one of the best Action RPGs I've played.  The story was good enough, but it was gameplay that makes this one stand out.

9.) Kingdom Hearts:  PS2 generation Action RPG, and for the most part, succedded.  A clever mix of Square and Disney characters, a core plot that I really enjoyed, yet very difficult.  Can't wait for sequel.

10.) Skies of Arcadia:  A unique RPG in terms of story, with Air Pirates and such.  I liked the characters, the gameplay was fun, though some times drawn out.  I really enjoyed this one.

Honorable mentions to Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy 9, Fire Emblem 7, and Fire Emblem 4.

EDIT:  What the hell is wrong with me?  I forgot Earthbound!  Earthbound would rank in at #11, so honorable mention goes to it.

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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2006, 09:17:54 pm »
Oh shit, Earthbound! Another awesome Nintendo RPG (though made by Square) was Legend of the Seven...Stars? And I must play Superstar Saga, Paper Mario: 1000 years door and Partners in Time.

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2006, 12:21:18 am »
This list doesn't include action-RPG or adventure games, so I'm not making any entries from Zelda.

1) Chrono Trigger
A near-flawless game even by today's standards.  Its musical score is still one of the most heavily remixed, and its characters and story work incredibly well; it basically takes every RPG cliche and figures out a way to twist it into something that's genuinely engaging.  Many, many things could be said about Chrono Trigger, most of which serve to heap lavish and well-deserved praise on the head of Masato Kato.  This was easily the pinnacle of SNES gaming; it just didn't get any better.  Shit, it still doesn't.  This game is the king of RPGs, and any other opinion is wrong.  You should have seen what happened to the last guy who told me it was overrated.  

I CHALLENGED HIM TO MORTAL KOMBAT.

2) Final Fantasy VII
Even non-gamers have heard of this one; it's basically the breakout RPG for the entire genre as far as America is concerned.  Writers Yoshinori Kitase, Hironobu Sakaguchi, and Tetsuya Nomura stated that they were taking the series in a more sci-fi direction, with a more realistic atmosphere.  Gamers at the time questioned how this was to be melded with the more fantastical elements that put the fantasy in Final Fantasy while preserving the characterization, plot, and artistry that the series is known for.

Obviously, they hadn't played Chrono Trigger.  Silly rabbits.

It took off, and it remains the most popular entry in the series.  It's been the cause of countless internet bitchfights about which game is better and who's hotter, and like anything popular, the source of many terrible, horrible fanfics.  Seriously, I think I hate the Final Fantasy fanbase more than any other fanbase ever.  But the game itself is nothing short of a goddamned masterpiece.

3) Chrono Cross
This was going to be number 2, but it has twenty damned useless extra characters that add precisely dick to the plot.  Other than that, it was awesome, though there was a backlash among the Chrono Trigger fanbase for not featuring the main characters of the original in a starring role.  Entire webrings have sprung up dedicated to Cross-hate, but the game's plot was actually better than Chrono Trigger's, building off of its predecessor in powerful and controversial ways.  I've never understood this mentality that seems to only prefer shameless clones of the original game.  Chrono Cross was new, different, and it ruled.  It reached Greatest Hits status, but Final Fantasy made and continues to make more money, so we don't get any more Chrono games.

And that's terrible.

4) Final Fantasy X
The first PS2 entry into the FF series was also the first to incorporate voice actors.  This was a controversial decision, but it did seem to catch on.  The graphics are the best to be found on the system, and the plot is actually a lot deeper than most people give it credit for; it picked up FFVII's tone of addressing some hot-button issues, which had been all but abandoned for VIII and IX.  The game is very dark and oriented more towards mature themes, which is how I like my RPGs.  It's also one of the only RPGs in which the main character dies in the ending, and one of the few to prominently feature a death metal song in a soundtrack bursting at the seams with piano and hymns.

5) Diablo II
This game is also known as digital crack.  It's only recently been displaced with the arrival of another helping of digital crack, World of Warcraft.  Blizzard North's massive RPG keeps the same story of the original installment, but expands the game world to epic proportions, far beyond the scope of the dungeon in quiet little Tristram.  The game features a story that borrows heavily from gothic fantasy and religion, while also allowing for seven character classes and thousands of items, affording for more ways to develop a character, and a fighting team, than any other RPG in existence.  Blizzard also offered a great deal of support to the game, releasing no less than eleven patches for the game, each of which introduced gameplay features over and above the original.

6) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Many feel that these games are the true prequels, in the stead of the actual prequel movies.  The first installment of the series was as massive in its scope as one would expect of the Star Wars galaxy, and there was no shortage of customization options.  Its characters were fairly cliched, much like many of the other classic RPGs out there, but they managed to perfectly capture the feel of the old-school Star Wars, while at the same time providing a new dimension of moral thought to play around with.  The only disadvantage in the game is that its morality is plagued by Jedi idealism; this issue is more than adequately addressed in the sequel.

7) The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
This game possesses two standout features; its beautiful musical score by composer Jeremy Soule, and its open-endedness.  There's almost nothing the player can't do within the game world.  Due to this, it's hailed by many as a breakthrough effort on the part of Bethesda.  Despite its real-time fighting, its battle mechanics are essentially the same as those of KOTOR or Diablo, but they aren't handled nearly as well, which causes the game to lose points.  It also has a lackluster graphical engine, especially where player models are concerned.  But its other features are enough to save it.

8. Final Fantasy VI
This FF entry is considered by many game critics to be the best in the series.  I obviously don't find this to be the case, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a fun game with some truly original content and a classic musical score.  It loses steam in the second half, but not to anywhere near the extent of KOTOR II's endgame.

9) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II - The Sith Lords
The sequel to the bestselling KOTOR, the game, much like Chrono Cross, featured a different cast of characters, with the original crew playing only an indirect role in the player's adventure.  The stakes are substantially more dire in this game; despite eventually winning the war against Darth Malak, the Republic has been wrecked almost beyond the point of repair.  The Jedi have disbanded, crime and exploitation reign supreme, and the brave souls that fought in the war have been left with nothing to return to.  You play an exiled Jedi who last saw the civilized galaxy in the Mandalorian Wars.  Returning to find everything he knew gone and the galaxy in shambles, he sets out to put things right.  Or to exact revenge on the Jedi, if that's your cup of tea.  Either way, this game makes you actually think about morality in a way that the first game didn't; on top of that, the gameplay mechanics and available options have been improved.  The reason the game didn't rate higher is because of its lackluster ending; LucasArts rushed Obsidian to get the game out for a Christmas release, in the process forcing them to cut out much of the ending, including parts that would have made it more coherent, and that alone is enough to hurt it badly for these purposes.  No news has yet been announced on a possible KOTOR III, but it's safe to conclude that they're going to do one, based on the numbers generated by the other two.

10) Xenogears
The game is an awful lot like a 40-hour movie, actually.  But at least it's enjoyable to watch.  The game's plot was done by Masato Kato, the creator of Chrono Trigger, so you know it's going to be thought-provoking.  The actual battle mechanics are somewhat lackluster, save for the sections involving MOTHER FUCKING ROBOTS AND SHIT!

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2006, 12:33:51 am »
I'm afraid 'Dirge of Cerberus' really is lame. I was SO dissapointed too! The Music is superb, the graphics aren't bad, the cutscenes have fantastic Advent Children graphics, but the gameplay is really badly balanced, to the point that sometimes you wonder if anybody play tested the game at all. The story is ok, but doesn't live up to FF7. Bosses kill you by exploiting gameplay flaws and Vincent can do none of the cool stuff he can do in cutscenes. Only two main FF7 characters have been rendered into game graphics (the rest appear only in brief cutscene cameos)...Oh, and the WORST thing, they have inserted Japanese pretty boy pop star Gackt into the plot of FF7, as a super powerful Sephiroth-esque (complete with one black wing) character called 'G'. *cries* WHY?! WHY!!?!?!

Kingdom Hearts 2 on the other hand, and Drakenguard 2 are both excellent sequals that build on their previous games. Especially KH2, it's beautiful! The graphics are excellent and the animation quality is...well, almost as good as a feature film in places. The improved combat system is really cool (want to pull off Advent Children style stunts in real time combat? You got it!) and the gummi ships, which used to make me groan, are now almost criminally good fun. Oh, and the bosses and monsters are better, involving much more strategy and stuff. Summons stay with the party rather than being like special spells, and the darker plotline and atmosphere makes it a little bit more grown up, but it still retains the nostalgic charm of the original.

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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2006, 01:08:37 am »
10. Secret Of Mana

I first saw this game being played by a guy across the street from me WAAAAY back when, and I was almost as astounded as when I first saw Chrono Trigger. I was dying to play the same since, and once when my cousin and I were both visiting my grandparents, he brought his SNES and I rented SoM...and my love hasn't decreased since. What beauty and majesty! Everything...the setting and mood...absolutely incredible. So fun to play, fantastic gameplay, memorable music...what fun.

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9. Earthbound

What a hideous, horrible sounding game. Yet it's style is one of my favorite things about it. The look is so original and cool, the music is unique and fun (and sometimes hauntingly-nice). The characters are great...mostly silent, yet you love 'em anyway. It's a fun game, though it can get hard, very hard. Sometimes gets trippy and confusing...it was meant to be that way. This game you wanna play just to see what happens next, what new crazy curves it'll throw at you.

Mr. Saturn. God I love that place.

8. Mario RPG

Exactly the result I'd expect from a collab between Nintendo and Square. Mario was never cooler, not even in Mario 64. Cuz he hit people with a HAMMER! He could jump on people's heads while they were running around in circles, he could bounce on beds, you fought with the coolest characters that you'd least expect, it was a joy of an RPG, it was GORGEOUS, the music was fun (same as Kingdom Hearts, actually), and a fun, typical yet still interesting storyline. Easily fits into the Mario mold.

"Mmm...salty!"

7. Secret Of Evermore

This had an even more powerful effect on me than SoM did. For some reason, this game felt more mature, more real, more developed. It felt deep, climatic, and just as powerfully mood setting.

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6. FF9

I rejoiced when they said 9 was going back to its roots. 7 and 8 were good and all, but I missed the "Fantasy". And FF9 really brought back the great essence of all good things FF. The gameplay was so much more fun, though Trance was frustratingly flawed, what with being able to permanently learn techniques and abilities that set each character apart from the others. Four characters in battle was much appreciated, brilliant scripting and execution was enjoyed, and I could play Chocobo Hot & Cold all day long. The story is fantastic, though it ends rather...strangely. The characters are great, the only one I don't really like is Quina...but who likes Quina? Honestly?

Moogles!!!!

5. Xenosaga (both)

The best movie games ever. The voice acting is top notch in both these, though I prefer more of the actors in the first one, and the graphics are outstanding, though I, again, prefer the looks in the first one. Gameplay is where this game hurts, it's just too damned hard without being REALLY leveled up, and it takes FOREVER to level up, since it takes FOREVER for each battle, which reward rather poorly. It's just too hard. The story and characters, however, are my favorite of any game or movie, I'd have to say. I'm so stoked for the third one.

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4. FF6

I've never actually sat through and played this game from beginning to end and perfected it like most other RPGs I've played. I've come back and forth to this one many times, and beaten it, but never sat down and truly grasped the concept of how many things you can DO in this game. It's so hard to perfect! The story is deep and engrossing, the characters are fantastic and lovable, the world is rich and happening, the gameplay is typical high-standard FF quality, the music is the best in the series. Where this game gets me is how boring it becomes after a while...it's hard to get back into this game after so many years. Now that I have the cartridge, it'll probably be easier to sit down and play on my SNES (once I get it back) and truly appreciate this game for all it's deep worth.

Terra is the most important character, but there is no MAIN character. That's the most unique thing about this game.

3. Chrono Cross

I shit my pants when I found out CT was getting a sequel. Another Chrono game. My god. Then I saw clips and shit and pissed my pants at the same time. It was gorgeous! FF8-quality! I was so excited, I couldn't keep it in, especially when I saw the picture of a purple-haired girl with the word "Lucca" above it. Then I played the game, and proceeded to shit, piss, and come in my pants at the same time. Now that takes talent right there. The 40 characters got me, though. =\

Still one of the best soundtracks ever. If not the best.

2. Kingdom Hearts

The only game that really truly honestly challenges topping CT in my book in EVERY way. The first game has it's imperfections: the stupid gummi ship travel, the annoyin delay when using items or spells, not being able to skip scenes...I grew up loving Disney, even when I was grown up I can still look back and remember how much I obsessed over each new movie when they came out. Then Square was making a game with Disney stuff. At first I was worried, then I saw shots of it and saw the keyblade and the shadow heartless...then I saw the main character fighting alongside Donald and Goofy...that got me over the edge. I knew I had to play this game. Then my best friend got it and let me play it...I was changed forever. The most fun game I'd ever just sat down and played. I could run around leveling up forever, I could play through the colisseum all day, I could go through each world discovering their secrets and coming to know them...the gameplay was just...fun. Very fun. And very cool. The story was simple, yet powerful and awesome. The characters are great. The voice acting is nigh-perfect. The music...though sometimes boring/annoying, is always fitting, and sometimes very cool. I can't wait for the sequel. I've been obsessing over it for weeks since it was released in Japan.

Maleficent is the coolest bad guy ever.

1. Chrono Trigger

Perfection in video game form.

All other games, look and bow.





This list is pretty much my top 10 list of favorite games. The only other additions I'd have made would be the Zelda franchise and the Metroid Primes.

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2006, 01:15:43 am »
Why are some people excluding Action-RPGs and Strategy RPGs?  They are just as RPG as Final Fantasy, except their gameplay is different.  There is still an involved story to them, there is still leveling up and character development (stat wise).

Edit:  I forgot about Knights of the Old Republic as well.  Honorable Mention goes to that.

And you think Secret of Evermore is better than Secret of Mana, Mystik?  Evermore was a good game, but I think SoM outclasses it in all regards.  Another strike agianst it is that Secret of Evermore is the very reason SD3/SoM2 never came out stateside.  Square didn't want 2 competeing games released at the same time over here, so they just release Evermore.  Good game, but I don't see how one can put it above the other outstanding Action RPGs of the era.

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2006, 01:35:20 am »
Oh god Mystik, dont bring up Chocobo H&C EVER AGAIN! *shuddder* maybe half the game was doing that, just to get the Ragnarok...and other items. But without I couldn't of finished the final bosses in record time.
Once I play Jade Empire and Dreamfall I'll put them on my list.

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2006, 02:24:47 am »
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And you think Secret of Evermore is better than Secret of Mana, Mystik?  Evermore was a good game, but I think SoM outclasses it in all regards.  Another strike agianst it is that Secret of Evermore is the very reason SD3/SoM2 never came out stateside.


SoM2 was better than SoM...but I still couldn't play it through it all the way...as cool as it was, I just didn't enjoy it as much as Evermore. Not sure why. Maybe cuz Evermore was also about a real kid experiencing a crazy cool world, something that could be realistically fantasized about.

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Oh god Mystik, dont bring up Chocobo H&C EVER AGAIN! *shuddder*


Whaaa? It was so much more fun than any of the other Chocobo side quests, and indeed rather rewarding.


I suppose I should give honorable mention to Phantasy Star IV/II, the Shining Force games, Paper Mario (preferrably the second one), the Soul Blazer games (Illusion of Gaia, Terranigma), the Dragon Warrior/Quest games, Landstalker, and Legend Of Dragoon.

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2006, 04:38:34 am »
What makes Metroid and Zelda RPGs and not Halo? We should go back to the what is an rpg thread.
Yes, the "Soul Blazer" games (terraearth games is a better title, as there is a game called Soul Blazer in the series, and adding the latter games to the title is silly) and the PS games are some of the greatest games ever, as well as tales, though tales of eternia is a let down.