Zeal/Ocean Palace Paradox/Loose Ends?

[ZeaLitY]

That's how it goes. They're protected because they're time travelers. If someone had come along and killed em all before Chrono Trigger, we wouldn't have a game.

[SilentMartyr]

Marle's being sent to the DBT is basically a plot hole because it's inconsistent with the rest of the series.  Claiming the Entity spirited her away to force Crono to go find Leene is the best explanation to make the series consistent.  The Entity taking her away is not Squaresoft's idea, it's the Compendium's.

Well if you think about it like this then it might not be a plot hole.

If Marle did not dissapear then Crono and Lucca would have never met Frog. And without meeting Frog they would have never gotten to fix the Masamune. And without the Masamune, they probably would not have gone to fight Magus. And by never fighting Magus they would never have gotten to find Zeal. And so on and so forth.

I hope what I am saying is clear to everyone.

[Sentenal]

well, the apparent plot hole is that she was erased from time, even though she had time traveler's immunity.

[Zatopek]

Yeah, basically Marle's disappearance violates all the other laws of time travel established throughout the series.  That's why it's a plot hole.

I'm not saying it was unneccesary in driving the plot; in fact it was incredibly crucial for the reasons you pointed out CTcronoboy

[Lazarus Plus]

Couldn't one make an argument for the fact that Marle didn't travel through time the way the other's did? As in, voluntarily, with the INTENT of changing the past? Her travel the first time was a mistake, unless the Entity caused it to happen. The Immunity doesn't necessarily have to be automatic in all circumstances, does it?

[V_Translanka]

I thought the major consensus was that Marle was sent to the DBT by the Entity as a way of driving Crono and thusly saving the future...

[ZeaLitY]

We're almost completely on the same page here.

Who is that guy?

[Sentenal]

why would intent have anything to do with it?  can gates, and time, read people's mind now?

[Zaperking]

I'd think that if the entity wanted to drive Crono to save Marle, it would not acctually try to harm her like sending her to the DBT, but acctually send her into a pocket dimension or something.

What if while she was in the DBT for a while, something caused her to acctually be erased forever.

And Sentenal, I don't think gates can read people's minds but in the case of Lucca (and her sidequest with saving her mum) the entity or gates must have read her heart to the most desperate moment of her life so she could go back there and save her mother.

[GreenGannon]

Perhaps, Marle's feeling of cold, had to do with nothing else existing in whatever pocket dimension she was in.

[Zatopek]

Who is that guy?

The goofy individual I have for my avatar is Emil Zatopek, Czech running legend known as "The Locomotive."  

He accomplished the nearly impossible in the 1952 Olympics in Helsinki, winning the three longest races (the 5,000, the 10,000, and the Marathon) in a span of 8 days and setting Olympic records in all 3.  It was also the first time he had ever run a Marathon.  During his life he set 18 world records in distances ranging from the 5,000 to the 30,000.

Sadly, he has nothing to do with Chrono Trigger or Chrono Cross

[SilentMartyr]

I'd think that if the entity wanted to drive Crono to save Marle, it would not acctually try to harm her like sending her to the DBT, but acctually send her into a pocket dimension or something.

What if while she was in the DBT for a while, something caused her to acctually be erased forever.

And Sentenal, I don't think gates can read people's minds but in the case of Lucca (and her sidequest with saving her mum) the entity or gates must have read her heart to the most desperate moment of her life so she could go back there and save her mother.

Possibly the Entity did not have the ability to make a pocket dimension, just sned individuals to areas that already exsist.

[Swordmaster]

The way Marle vanish is the same way Magus disappear in North Cape. Perhaps this mean something.

[Zaperking]

I thought Magus died if you chose not to go with him. But that would branch off from the choice. If you let him live, he one day goes into the Radical Dreamers universe or he just goes looking for Schala in 12,000BC. If you kill him hes dead... And that also leaves out the possiblity that he is Wazuki or Serge or anything like that, and it would disprove Lucca's letter than Janus would be alive and by Kid.

[SilentMartyr]

Well the choice is fight Magus to the death or leave, so I am pretty sure he dies if you don't want him in you party