WHAA?? WAS LAVOS SENT TO EARTH?? maybe...

[knuck]

I've been on this community for a lot more time than you have. I know the rules.

[ChronoMagus]

Knowing the rules is not the same as following them...
That is only the front of Lavos... look at a Lavos Spawn.  Guess what its longer at the back and taller!  Hmmm and since Lavos Spawns are proportional to Lavos maybe, just maybe, Lavos is actually a hell lot larger than the battle backdrop....  You know seeing as you only see the front from a view down... not even the full front if you look at it.... seems to me it still is taller.  How about we use our brains and look at the sprites in the World Map for Lavos and Death Peak.  They seem a lot more logical.

[JossiRossi]

Can't believe no one has posted this yet. You know there's a lot more opinions here than really anything actually from the game.




Also as a note, not sure if this affected it or not, but I went to 1999 AD first. Then when I warped to the future I was at the position in the screen above.

No opinion just something real for once here.

[Tonjevic]

I was actually just going to post that, you beat me to it.
I had been thinking about it for a long time, but couldnt be bothered to actualy go and do it... oh well.

[Zaperking]

I had said that a long time ago that Death Peak was off to the side >.< Lavos maybe climbed atop Death Peak Oo Now that'd be funny to watch XD

[knuck]

Can't believe no one has posted this yet. You know there's a lot more opinions here than really anything actually from the game.




Also as a note, not sure if this affected it or not, but I went to 1999 AD first. Then when I warped to the future I was at the position in the screen above.

No opinion just something real for once here.

Oh finally! Some evidence from their side! =D
I remebered Lavos to be a lot smaller than that. Like, I thought he was the same size as crono's map sprite.
Now that I saw those pics... Yeah, Lavos = Death Peak! =P
JossiRossi wins the internet today.

[JossiRossi]

JossiRossi wins the internet today.

Hooray! =]

[Sentenal]

Oh finally! Some evidence from their side! =D
I remebered Lavos to be a lot smaller than that. Like, I thought he was the same size as crono's map sprite.
Now that I saw those pics... Yeah, Lavos = Death Peak! =P
JossiRossi wins the internet today.

Have we not been saying compare Lavos' overworld sprite to Death Peak's overworld sprite...?  He just added pictures to it...

Anyway, gj, Jossi, you converted him

@Zaper:  Its possible the plate the island is on shifted just a tad to the right, for Lavos to be at the right place.

[Lordchander]

Anyway, gj, Jossi, you converted him

Jossi converted me too! Sorry Sentanel if I was sounding rude earlier when we "arguing" over this topic. Now that I get two good pics next to each other I can see there not that much larger.  

Its possible the plate the island is on shifted just a tad to the right, for Lavos to be at the right place.

Hmmm yes, that generally what I was thinking too. But think of how out of place all the continents are compared to 1999...Lavos really moved and sunk lots of land. And it is also possible that Lavos did actually move himself he's not completely stuck in one spot.

[knuck]

Have we not been saying compare Lavos' overworld sprite to Death Peak's overworld sprite...?  He just added pictures to it...

I already said, I remembered Lavos OW sprite as the same size of the one of Lavos falling on the planet. =P The pictures showed me otherwise~

[Tonjevic]

If you compare the 2300 map to the apocalypse map in TF, they are completely unsimilar. Lavos isn't death peak in my opinion. there is only one place that is slightly similar to that coastline, and the geography would have had to be changed on a monumental scale to incorparate it.

In other words:  Lavos =/= Death peak.

[Lordchander]

It is possible, think about it, Lavos ripped apart the world with tremendous power that he had been storing up for 65 million years. There was much more destruction then you see in the recording of the event.

And to add to the contrary, its possible Lavos flew over to a spot and sat down there and spawned all the little tykes    He's not stationary the entire time. Imagine he would have had to take cover otherwise he would have wiped himself out.

[Zaperking]

Death Peak was already there... Keepers dome is in the same place, and next to that mountain. The only difference is that maybe because Lavos broke so close to the mountain, the land around it could have been disrupted and changed it, and Lavos could have climbe dit, loool XD

[Lordchander]

Ya know, like you said a while ago Zaper, that would look nuts having Lavos climb up the top a massive mountain.    

Hmmm thought of another theory. Perhaps Death Peak already was there (like Zaper said) yet Lavos settled on top (as is stated in the game) and he kinda blended in with the mountain (dont ask me how). Maybe thats how Death Peak got its name.

[JossiRossi]

This is actually pretty interesting...

I have the 3 maps in screen shots. Here are the links as they are large.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/JossiRossi/CTCE/ctow000.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/JossiRossi/CTCE/ctow007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/JossiRossi/CTCE/ctow002.jpg

Now, since the 1999 is only partial (and even though it's pretty clear looking at them) I've overlaid the 1999 map onto the Present map. As you can see they line up (without alteration actually). The important stuff is the Eastern Coast of Truce where the beaches line up nearly identical.

Full Size:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/JossiRossi/CTCE/Present1999.jpg

Ok so we know that 1999 AD, lines up with the Present. Therefore if something lines up with the present then it lines up with 1999. So the big question is, does the future line up with the present in the same way? It does.

Full Size:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/JossiRossi/CTCE/PresentFuture.jpg

There's a lot of changes to the map (however there are also some drastic changes between 600 AD to the present, and thats without the extra years or the presumably destructive changes Lavos may have made but that's interpretation.

The one thing that is clear is that the Sun palace is in the same place. If you missed the HUGE red circle then I'm not sure I can help you =]

So through the transitive property =] (If A=B and B=C then A=C) applied to the coordinates of each map. Then when I place 1999 AD onto the Future map, then those are the exact correlary places.

Placing the 1999 map over the Future map gives us this.

Full Size:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v202/JossiRossi/CTCE/1999Future.jpg

Now refrencing this picture I posted before.


Lavos breaks out of the ground definitly above Death Peak, by like maybe 7-10 tiles. This is not perfect. Not nearly definitive enough, although the fact it is also on the same vertical axis almost, if not perfectly, is promising.

So there is the distinct possibility. However, given the undeniable information (I personally think. I think I did a good job with keeping all my stuff unbiased) the ultimate conclusion is up for grabs. However, this is all the info we have and ever will have for certain. All other pieces of information can be up to interpretation or debated, the above info is likely the only true fact that can exist in this discussion. In the end it depends on what the person is willing to believe. If you look at this data and see a mountain made from lavos then that is what you will likely always see. If you don't see that and just see it as a regular mountain (albeit one that people think is freaky) then that is also what you will likely always see.

Now, as for my opinion. I think it is Lavos. The mountain is a different shape, it's linked to Lavos somehow, has plenty of lavos spawn which isn't too common elsewhere, as well as other debateable correlative evidence.

And I'm spent.