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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2008, 12:17:10 am »
This has been brought up before, a while ago.
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php?topic=1989.0

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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2008, 12:18:54 am »
How the hell would anything survive?  Lavos' fall may have caused an Ice Age, but not one that lasted THIS long!  I think the 12000 BC Ice age is unnaturally prolonged by some kind of Zeal Technology keeping it that way.  It is also planet wide because of Zeal.  I can't see the whole planet being in an ice age though.  Even during Ice ages, there are areas not covered with ice.
Ice ages come and go. Global temperatures fluctuate over time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2008, 02:09:49 am »
Well Like I said, even during Ice ages it's impossible that the entire world is covered in snow. 

Then again, I guess it doesn't make sense that it's the same time of day all over the planet and the same season either.

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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2008, 04:14:38 am »
Well Like I said, even during Ice ages it's impossible that the entire world is covered in snow. 

Then again, I guess it doesn't make sense that it's the same time of day all over the planet and the same season either.

On what are you basing that an ice age doesn't cover the entire planet? I'm not an ice age specialist, but imo it'd make sense if it was all over the planet. Otherwise you could just move to a different part of the planet without anyone dieing.

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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2008, 04:41:02 am »
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On what are you basing that an ice age doesn't cover the entire planet?

As shown in the 650000 bc era, there is geothermal activity on the planet, so its possible to have areas not effected by the ice per se, but then the complete change in the other temperature direction could still make it difficult to live.  Either that, or those select geo-pockets are the only way most forms of life are then able to survive through the age.

However, it probably is an effective temperature cycle.  In 2300 AD the world, though effectively dying, is initiating another cold streak as seen by the cold air currents that are blowing on the world map, and also in the snow covered peaks of the mountains.

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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2008, 04:46:48 am »
I thought that the Reptites died out because they couldn't stand the cold and humans lived in caves. In Algetty you see how they're also living in a cave. And I'm assuming the ice age is almost over in 12,000 BC. I'm also assuming those people in the commons don't stay there day and night, unless they eventually froze to death.

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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2008, 10:09:09 am »

On what are you basing that an ice age doesn't cover the entire planet?

Science.  Ice ages occur when there is a cooling period in the Earth's climate.  These can be caused by a number of things, but most importantly it occurs because of the slowing of the ocean's current, whereupon colder polar water does not travel as fast to the equator, and warmer equatorial water is thus not travel toward the poles.  This makes areas near the polar regions colder The colder regions allow the growth of the polar caps, and the growth of glaciers. (as either an extension of the cap itself, or forming on mountains and spreading from there).  The equatorial regions however, are warm, and all the animals who need warm climate would be safe there..  It's really common sense.

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I'm not an ice age specialist, but imo it'd make sense if it was all over the planet.
  HAHAHA  I don't know anything about math, but in my opinion 1 plus 1 isn't 2!  Listen to yourself!

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Otherwise you could just move to a different part of the planet without anyone dieing.

We do have reptiles today yes?  Did they evolve after the last ice age or were there reptiles before that ice age?

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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2008, 10:12:27 am »

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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2008, 11:12:46 am »
This still doesn't solve my point though. Unless all Reptites were packed in Tyrano Lair (which seems impossible) how is it possible that there aren't any Reptites outside of 65,000,000 BC? According to the Compendium they died out in the ice age. And I believe this theory comes from the scene in Chrono Cross in Fort Dragonia.

Also, if you fly around 12,000 BC you won't find a part that's not covered in ice. So how exactly do you explain that? Also try to keep in mind Lavos causing an ice age is different from any ice age we've known.

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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #54 on: December 10, 2008, 11:20:44 am »
In addition to Dark's counter-argument, hardly anything that applies to our world applies to the Chrono Multiverse. Just because that's how it works in our world doesn't mean Square is gonna make it that way in a Chrono game.

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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #55 on: December 10, 2008, 11:47:34 am »
Well I started the thread talking about the unliklihood of anything surviving a 65,988,000 year Ice Age.  Then I also said it makes no sense that it covers the whole planet.  So I was talking about the real world.


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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #56 on: December 10, 2008, 04:42:33 pm »
I was talking about the real world.

There's your problem right there. We're not talking about the real world.

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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #57 on: December 10, 2008, 05:09:04 pm »
I agree with Shadow D. Darkman, the Chronoverse doesn't exactly hold true to factual science, so this thread is pointless.

Oh, and your original statement of "nothing surviving a 65 M year ice age" is incorrect. Even if it did cover the entire planet, aquatic plants and animals would survive just fine, even in shallow waters, and so would innumerable species of extremophile bacteria. Also, chemoautotrophic bacteria and the ecosystems based upon them around thermal vents on the ocean floor would likely be unaffected by any extreme geological activity on the planet.

But once again, it's a video game, not reality.

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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #58 on: December 10, 2008, 05:11:56 pm »
I base my opinion off the facts of the real world. The Chrono world had multiple ice ages.

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Re: Planet wide Ice age for 64,988,000 years?
« Reply #59 on: December 11, 2008, 12:38:30 am »
The Chrono world had multiple ice ages.

Just as it was with "yujinishuge" so shall it be with you.

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